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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:21 am
by bigshot
There are exceptions. Melies' Moon sucks with that awful modern score and so does Variete. But I actually like the Wm Burroughs narration and synth music on Haxxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages.

Glad that confusion on the Alloy score is cleared up. I doubted that they would add something for a repressing. After all, Flicker Alley never even bothered to correct the out of sync music on the Chaplin Mutuals.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:19 am
by R. Cat
bigshot wrote:There are exceptions. Melies' Moon sucks with that awful modern score and so does Variete. But I actually like the Wm Burroughs narration and synth music on Haxxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages.

Glad that confusion on the Alloy score is cleared up. I doubted that they would add something for a repressing. After all, Flicker Alley never even bothered to correct the out of sync music on the Chaplin Mutuals.


Excellent point about exceptions, and yeah, I intensely dislike the Melies' Moon score as well.

There are times when I wish a bit more common sense was applied to scoring silent releases. Since tastes vary, alternate soundtracks should be a more common bonus feature whenever production budgets stretch that far. If not, the distributor should go the extra mile in acquiring a score that fits the film and satisfies the vast majority of silent film fans.

When I saw Man With a Camera at The SFSFF some years ago, the Alloy Orchestra performed live accompaniment. Ken's avant garde score for that film is the only music I can imagine with that film. Each silent film has it's own special zeitgeist.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:48 am
by Mike Gebert
Well, as the late David Shepard once pointed out, Japanese TV pays for most of these releases, so they get what they like. If you also get what you like, lucky you.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:47 am
by wich2
For someone who had lived only one lifetime, David was a wise man!

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:55 pm
by R. Cat
wich2 wrote:...David was a wise man!


Very true!

Mike Gebert wrote:Well, as the late David Shepard once pointed out, Japanese TV pays for most of these releases, so they get what they like. If you also get what you like, lucky you.


Good point, Mike. David Shepherd was a realist, but I'm not sure he was suggesting that silent film fans just resign themselves to their taste in music taking a back seat to TV broadcast revenue. Granted, we should all be grateful that the Japanese market for silent films is strong, but in restoring & releasing silent films for the home market traditional silent film music should never be dropped in favor of an unconventionally modern score if there's room for both on a disc format.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:27 am
by bigshot
I wonder if it was the Japanese who wanted the Chaplin Mutuals and Phantom of the Opera to be out of sync with the music?

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:13 am
by WaverBoy
Mike Gebert wrote:Well, as the late David Shepard once pointed out, Japanese TV pays for most of these releases, so they get what they like. If you also get what you like, lucky you.


Well, that's cool and all, but we can still call a shitball music score out for what it is, thanks.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:03 am
by Nick_M
At least you can push the mute button. Here in Los Angeles, Cliff Retallick has taken over nearly every regular silent screening at all the theaters, and he's TERRIBLE.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:02 am
by Saint-Just
If you want notoriously bad scoring efforts, here's one that's at the bottom of my list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=spzB-75gu7Y



A theatre in the middle of Michigan's lower peninsula used to have live silent film screenings and would always pick these guys to play the film - I had heard this 'score' already so knew to keep away but it's tough to have to forego a live silent film screening.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:27 pm
by R. Cat
WaverBoy wrote:
Mike Gebert wrote:Well, as the late David Shepard once pointed out, Japanese TV pays for most of these releases, so they get what they like. If you also get what you like, lucky you.


Well, that's cool and all, but we can still call a shitball music score out for what it is, thanks.


Fortunately, Robert Israel's score for The Lost World score fits well. I wouldn't have minded a secondary soundtrack ...Alloy Orchestra, for instance... had Flicker Alley chosen to include it. Visually, it's a stunning release flaws & all, ...my wife poking fun at "claymation" dinosaurs notwithstanding.

Generally, this restoration is an excellent release with modest nitpicks (the judgment call of replaceing period dialogue cards). Perhaps some future restoration of The Lost World may improve on this ambitious effort through discovery of intact low generation 35mm footage to replace the cobbled together elements of varying quality in this presentation. Until that time though, this is a superb upgrade from earlier releases.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:13 pm
by Nosferatu
I guess that one will cost $70.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:41 pm
by R. Cat
Nosferatu wrote:I guess that one will cost $70.


At that price I'd hope for a pristine 35 mm low generation or camera negative source, complete, untinkered with, loaded with bonus features including new documentary material. I'm not averse to steep pricing, but I do expect significant value-added extras & PQ upgrade.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:19 pm
by SilentsPlease
Ken Winokur wrote:Rewind.

Sorry I am mistaken. Alloy's score is not on the new Lost World Restoration (from David Shepard and Flicker Alley).

Flicker Alley is also selling David Shepard's previous DVD restoration of Lost World, with Alloy's score. As a MOD (manufacture on demand).


The Alloy score was available long ago in the 2001 DVD edition, which can be had for $2-3 at Amazon. Those Flicker Alley MOD DVDs are sometimes not a good deal, as they offer no supplements and you can often buy the original discs cheaply from third parties.

Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:42 pm
by Great Hierophant
I got the Flicker Alley Blu-ray release for Christmas and watched it that evening. I was extremely pleased with the picture quality, despite some areas with heavy scratching and a few bits that they had to insert 16mm for missing 35mm. I was surprised how well the picture flowed despite being 110 minutes long. I had not seen the film in over a decade and when I did it was probably the old 55 minute version.

I had read this thread a while before receiving my copy, so I was confused at some points. Then I re-read the thread again. No mention of the Alloy Orchestra score and the Conan Doyle footage taken from the Movietone print of him. (The full print and his speech can be found on Alloy's Gillette Sherlock Holmes Blu-ray). I was pleased that Zambo's speech was not recast in a more politically correct dialect, after all, the actor is playing him in blackface! Curiously, Zambo's arm in a sling is not explained, I assume he sustained an injury during the missing native attack scene. A still image of the original sequence with Conan Doyle (all that exists) has already been linked to above. The official original trailer should be this one :

I did notice judder, but ironically only during the digitally created restoration credits, which scroll vertically upwards. Vertically scrolling credits are an excellent way to demonstrate frame rate issues.