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Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:52 pm
by entredeuxguerres
marknyc wrote:...Finally, I will weigh in with my experience with UCLA. I agree that they are the worst when it comes to releasing what they hold. Others who have attempted to access their holdings for commercial releases confirm what I found: they ask outrageous fees, which means that much of what they have sits in their vaults, never to be seen. I hate hoarders.


The place for hoarders is a brick wall, against which their backs are pressed.

But the many apologists for archive-imprisonment always assert that copyright entanglement is the nasty culprit, not mere avarice.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:51 pm
by marknyc
I approached UCLA for a transfer of a 1950s television show to which I have all the rights. I just wanted to arrange a video transfer of a couple of episodes.

Whereas another institution pulled films for free and let me arrange for the transfer at about $50 an episode, UCLA insisted on doing the transfer themselves and said they would charge $500 to $1000 for each reel. So of course it didn't happen and the films remain sitting in their vault, unseen.

What's the point of preserving films if no one can see them?

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:02 am
by westegg
I'm grateful for any rarity that mysteriously surfaces on YouTube.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:39 am
by wich2
>What's the point of preserving films if no one can see them?<

There is not much of one.

It's the same thing in the Network Radio Drama field; and the only (lame) point that is ever granted is, "well, it is BEING PRESERVED!!!"

Yes, but collection history tells us that fire, flood, theft, etc., can happen to any given individual copy. So it is self-evident, that getiing more copies out there is actually the best aid to the safest preservation!

-Craig

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 9:18 pm
by TerryC
Anybody know if there has been any progress at all?!

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 11:13 am
by LouieD
TerryC wrote:Anybody know if there has been any progress at all?!


Yes.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:58 pm
by vitaphone
Yes, work is in progress but at least another year to complete.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 3:28 pm
by Donald Binks
vitaphone wrote:Yes, work is in progress but at least another year to complete.


That is indeed good news - to hear that it is actually being worked on. The last time I saw it theatrically (about 35 years back), it seemed to play well except for the colour quality which was faded and tweaked towards blue. I presume therefore that the restoration will finally fix this?

Regards
Donald Binks

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 8:22 pm
by LouieD
Donald Binks wrote:
vitaphone wrote:Yes, work is in progress but at least another year to complete.


That is indeed good news - to hear that it is actually being worked on. The last time I saw it theatrically (about 35 years back), it seemed to play well except for the colour quality which was faded and tweaked towards blue. I presume therefore that the restoration will finally fix this?

Regards
Donald Binks


No, the restorers have decided it would look MUCH better in black & white.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 5:53 am
by Jim Roots
LouieD wrote:
Donald Binks wrote:
vitaphone wrote:Yes, work is in progress but at least another year to complete.


That is indeed good news - to hear that it is actually being worked on. The last time I saw it theatrically (about 35 years back), it seemed to play well except for the colour quality which was faded and tweaked towards blue. I presume therefore that the restoration will finally fix this?

Regards
Donald Binks


No, the restorers have decided it would look MUCH better in black & white.


And run as a silent film.

Jim

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:05 am
by westegg
And only include the comedy bits.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:21 am
by Changsham
And show it to nobody?

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 11:09 am
by LouieD
Changsham wrote:And show it to nobody?


No, I was joking. They are planning a special, one off screening of the restored movie but since they had a tough time securing funding for this resto, tickets will be priced at $1-2,000 per seat :(

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:17 pm
by David Alp
That's a lot of money to see my favourite musical. Perhaps I can get a job as an usher in the theater, and then watch it for free, (but have to stand up)?

But seriously I'm glad they are restoring it all finally, (when I say "all" I mean replacing those scratched 16mm sections with a decent 35mm source). And if there is still another year to go before it's finished, then they must be doing a thorough job on it.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 2:41 pm
by marknyc
How much of this is true? If it is, are the restorers taking this into account?

At the time, the process employed red and green dyes, each with a dash of other colors mixed in, but no blue dye. "King of Jazz" was to showcase a spectacular presentation of "Rhapsody in Blue," so this presented a problem. Fortunately, the green dye Technicolor used can actually appear peacock blue (cyan) under some conditions, but acceptable results in this case would require very careful handling. Art director Herman Rosse and production director John Murray Anderson came up with ingenious solutions. Tests were made of various fabrics and pigments, and by using an all gray-and-silver background the bluish aspect of the dye was set off to best advantage. Filters were also used to inject pale blues into the scene being filmed.

The goal was to produce a finished film with pastel shades rather than bright colors. Nevertheless, as it appears in an original two-color Technicolor print, the sequence might best be described as a "Rhapsody in Turquoise". Later prints made from the original two-component negative, which had survived, make the blues look truer and more saturated than they appeared to audiences in 1930.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:04 pm
by marknyc
Any update on this?

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:18 pm
by Donald Binks
marknyc wrote:Any update on this?


As of May 2015 it was going to take another year to complete (see earlier posts this thread) - so, I am looking to a Grand Announcement in the 2nd half of this year!

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:40 pm
by marknyc
Yes, I was just hoping there might have been some update on the progress so far.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:18 am
by vitaphone
Work just about done. This was a massive undertaking. Expect an announcement from Universal by mid-2016.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:41 am
by westegg
:D :D :D :D :D :D

Good to know we've all lived long enough to see this happen! I first saw it on VHS in 1983.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:31 pm
by marknyc
Thanks - is it going to be all red and green, with no hint of aqua for the "Rhapsody in Blue"?

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:37 pm
by David Alp
Here is the latest news from the most recent "VITAPHONE PROJECT: NEWS" release:

Quote:

NBC Universal's newly expanded restoration team has made great progress on KING OF JAZZ ('30), utilizing drastically better Technicolor material that is light years beyond what has circulated. It is expected that work will be completed by mid-2016, with any screenings or DVD following that.

KING OF JAZZ UPDATE

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Work began on restoration of the 1930 all-Technicolor musical KING OF JAZZ in the spring of 2015. NBC Universal is doing the work, and drawing from recently rediscovered 35mm Technicolor material with vivid color. Universal has significantly expanded its restoration efforts over past 18 months, and is also working on their owned Paramount Marx Brothers features and a number of silents. Like Warner Bros, the team is also reaching out to collectors to assist in tracking down needed materials.

The KOJ restoration is not only visual, but also involves improving the soundtrack through the use of better available optical and disk elements. Universal has drawn on support from Professor Richard Koszarski, who has made a 30 year study of the making of the film, along with DAWN OF TECHNICOLOR authors James Layton and David Pierce and our Project.

Work is expected to be completed on the KING OF JAZZ restoration by mid-year 2016. We will of course post any announcements regarding screenings and any DVD release on our Facebook page as well as in our next issue.

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End Quote.

I hope its either a Blu-Ray or a High Definition 4K scan -- much the same as the recent "It Happened One Night" (1934). That was just an awesome release.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:25 pm
by Donald Binks
I hope its either a Blu-Ray or a High Definition 4K scan -- much the same as the recent "It Happened One Night" (1934).


I don't care what it is released on. I just wanna see it! :D DVD'll do me fine.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:55 pm
by wich2
Per our own Jack Theakston, it appears Uni has the thing out there publicly:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1616347388690514/er

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:22 pm
by Donald Binks
wich2 wrote:Per our own Jack Theakston, it appears Uni has the thing out there publicly:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1616347388690514/er" target="_blank


says "page removed" ?

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:33 pm
by marknyc

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:05 pm
by wich2
https://www.facebook.com/events/1616347388690514

Cut and paste the link above, Donald (this site can be very odd re: urls, sometimes...)

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 5:51 am
by Daniel Eagan
Saw a test screening on Friday morning at MoMA. It looks almost completely 35. A few transitional moments have sound and no picture (B&W stills fill in), and some brief clips look like 16mm blowups. The color is superb throughout, and the sound much better than the VCR copy I have.

This was a massive undertaking, and it deserves to be seen on a big screen, despite all the issues about Whiteman, what the filmmakers consider jazz ("Ochi Chornya"? Scottish bagpipes?), Jeanie Lang, the casual racism, etc., etc.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 12:41 pm
by Scott Eckhardt
Daniel Eagan wrote:Saw a test screening on Friday morning at MoMA. It looks almost completely 35. A few transitional moments have sound and no picture (B&W stills fill in), and some brief clips look like 16mm blowups. The color is superb throughout, and the sound much better than the VCR copy I have.

This was a massive undertaking, and it deserves to be seen on a big screen, despite all the issues about Whiteman, what the filmmakers consider jazz ("Ochi Chornya"? Scottish bagpipes?), Jeanie Lang, the casual racism, etc., etc.
I've seen the beautiful stills of the restored print. So much better than the overly blue cast of the VHS tape, and the overly green appearance of the unrestored print screen captures. I am donating to the book project and cannot wait to read the full story of this legendary film.

Re: LONG AWAITED "KING OF JAZZ" RESTORATION BEGINS IN 2012

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 2:32 pm
by earlytalkiebuffRob


Some very droolworthy stuff there. At least THE GOOD FAIRY is due for a showing local to me...

And is the 'long version' of THE ROAD BACK the one which was reputedly lost by Erich Maria Remarque all those years back?

Hopefully ONLY YESTERDAY will now become available in better copies than that on YT a while ago.