looking for specific images of Norma Talmadge and Pola Negri

Talk about the work of collecting, restoring and preserving our film heritage here.
  • Author
  • Message
Offline
User avatar

N_Phay

  • Posts: 158
  • Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 8:41 am

looking for specific images of Norma Talmadge and Pola Negri

PostSun May 24, 2009 7:27 am

I recently got beat on ebay out for this amazing still of Pola:

Image

It's from "Three Sinners". I am somewhat intrigued by the outfit she's wearing. Does anyone have scans of different pics of her wearing this outfit, I wonder?

I also got beat out - and how, it went for over $400 - on a Russell Ball image of Norma Talmadge:

Image

I found somewhere, trawling the interweb or ebay maybe, I can't remember, another R.Ball image of Norma, evidently from the same set:

Image

...does anyone know if there are any more images in this set, and if so, does anyone have scans?

Many thanks!
Offline
User avatar

N_Phay

  • Posts: 158
  • Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 8:41 am

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 10:55 am

I found this on flickr. unfortunately I can only grab a link to a little image:

Image

What a picture! I don't think I have ever seen Ms Negri look better. The uploader has disabled downloads, and the highest reso version is to be honest not a lot better than this. (edit:i managed to scavenge the highest res version using Opera's "inspect element" - that's as big as it gets) A little cache of "3 Sinners" stills, from which this one is taken is here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alicejapan ... eesinners/

I wonder if anyone has higher reso scans of any of these stills?
Last edited by N_Phay on Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:51 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Offline
User avatar

rudyfan

  • Posts: 1382
  • Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:48 am
  • Location: San Fwancisco

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 11:04 am

Well, you can check with the Herrick holdings if you are in LA.

Might also want to contact the guy that runs the Pola Negri website, he might have the image(s).

I do not find it surpring that the Russell Ball of Norma Talmadge went for $400, I presume it's 11x14 and a nice photo.
Offline
User avatar

FrankFay

  • Posts: 2459
  • Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:48 am
  • Location: albany NY

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 11:05 am

Very spirited- a bit different from the usual languid image. I think the blond hair looks completely false, but just right for the character she's playing. If she was wearing this out on the street it would be another matter.
Eric Stott
Offline
User avatar

N_Phay

  • Posts: 158
  • Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 8:41 am

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 11:07 am

I've managed to scavenge a couple more off ebay aution images where the seller hasn't watermarked the pic:

Image

Image

Image


I found, er, somewhere, I can't remember where, an image from the Russell Ball (? it's the same necklace and seems to be the same top anyway) shoot of Norma Talmadge, quite an unusual angle I thought. Her eyebrows are amazing:

Image
Last edited by N_Phay on Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
Offline
User avatar

N_Phay

  • Posts: 158
  • Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 8:41 am

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 11:17 am

the numbers on the "3 Sinners" stills are a little inconsistent too: On this page, top down:
693-63 (Pola Lighting cigarette)
693-59 (Spirited Pola!)
1124-sixtysomething (Pola w cigarette listening to older guy)
1124-54 (Pola smoking cigarette)
1124-97 (pola in doorway in black gown)
Another one I have, with a copyright (!) watermark from the seller showing pola and 2 other guys (not Warner Baxter though) struggling over a pistol is numbered 1124-60

there is a nice one of Olga Baclanova on the olgabaclanova.com website which is numbered 693.96 - I wonder if there were 2 series of stills and why, if so?
Last edited by N_Phay on Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Offline
User avatar

Jim Roots

  • Posts: 1284
  • Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:45 pm
  • Location: Ottawa, ON

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 12:35 pm

FrankFay wrote:Very spirited- a bit different from the usual languid image. I think the blond hair looks completely false, but just right for the character she's playing. If she was wearing this out on the street it would be another matter.


That was my first reaction too. She looks like a brunette in a blonde wig. Forgot to bleach her eyebrows!

Jim
Offline
User avatar

missdupont

  • Posts: 1522
  • Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:48 pm
  • Location: California

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 1:09 pm

693 was the West Coast production number for THREE SINNERS, 1124 was the East Coast number.
Offline
User avatar

N_Phay

  • Posts: 158
  • Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 8:41 am

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 1:17 pm

Thanks! One lives and learns. So if one had say 693-63 and 1124-63, these would be the same photograph? (actually, I just checked in the image folder I have - there is a 693-97 and a 1124-97 and they are the same photo) I have 14 pics in there now, not quite enough for a slideshow reconstruction yet!
Offline
User avatar

Derek B.

  • Posts: 251
  • Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:36 pm
  • Location: Palo Alto, CA

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 2:08 pm

Jim Roots wrote:That was my first reaction too. She looks like a brunette in a blonde wig. Forgot to bleach her eyebrows!

Jim


For comparison, here's another still from Three Sinners where Negri does appear as a brunette (with Tullio Carminati).
Image

N_Phay wrote:So if one had say 693-63 and 1124-63, these would be the same photograph?


That depends. For earlier Paramount films, the codes did not need to match. You can see an example here of a Paramount still with two codes, one ending "-93" and the other "-105". But I think that in the later period they did match and that they just replaced the prefix on the negative. For RKO films in the 1930s, the two suffixes generally did not match.
- Derek B.
Offline
User avatar

FrankFay

  • Posts: 2459
  • Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:48 am
  • Location: albany NY

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 3:30 pm

Here hair looks fake there as well- and so does his.

Out of curiosity, what is Tullio Carminati's survival rate?
Eric Stott
Offline
User avatar

Jim Roots

  • Posts: 1284
  • Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:45 pm
  • Location: Ottawa, ON

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 4:57 pm

FrankFay wrote:Out of curiosity, what is Tullio Carminati's survival rate?


Zero. He's dead.


Jim
Offline
User avatar

Brooksie

  • Posts: 1323
  • Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:41 pm
  • Location: Portland, Oregon via Sydney, Australia

PostTue Jun 07, 2011 8:45 pm

Side parted, Blonde Pola looks terrific - with her usual hairstyle, she just looks like she's had a rather unfortunate shock overnight.

Who wants to take a guess at the identity of this not-usually-a-blonde?

Image
Offline
User avatar

CoffeeDan

  • Posts: 622
  • Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:55 pm
  • Location: Cincinnati, Ohio

PostWed Jun 08, 2011 1:18 am

Brooksie wrote:Side parted, Blonde Pola looks terrific - with her usual hairstyle, she just looks like she's had a rather unfortunate shock overnight.

Who wants to take a guess at the identity of this not-usually-a-blonde?


That's Mary Brian with James Cagney in HARD TO HANDLE (1933). Why on earth did they make her a blonde in that picture?
Offline
User avatar

Changsham

  • Posts: 425
  • Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:34 pm

Re: looking for specific images of Norma Talmadge and Pola N

PostWed Jun 08, 2011 3:11 am

N_Phay wrote:I recently got beat on ebay out for this amazing still of Pola:

Image

It's from "Three Sinners". I am somewhat intrigued by the outfit she's wearing. Does anyone have scans of different pics of her wearing this outfit, I wonder?

I also got beat out - and how, it went for over $400 - on a Russell Ball image of Norma Talmadge:

Image

I found somewhere, trawling the interweb or ebay maybe, I can't remember, another R.Ball image of Norma, evidently from the same set:

Image

...does anyone know if there are any more images in this set, and if so, does anyone have scans?

Many thanks!


I used to have a photo of Norma Talmadge which appears from the same set. Sepia toned, same dress and hairstyle in soft focus and her portrait in profile. Was framed and hung on my wall for about 10 year. Wish I still had it.
Offline
User avatar

mndean

  • Posts: 712
  • Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:04 pm
  • Location: Sacramento, CA

Re:

PostFri Mar 23, 2012 4:39 pm

CoffeeDan wrote:
Brooksie wrote:Side parted, Blonde Pola looks terrific - with her usual hairstyle, she just looks like she's had a rather unfortunate shock overnight.

Who wants to take a guess at the identity of this not-usually-a-blonde?


That's Mary Brian with James Cagney in HARD TO HANDLE (1933). Why on earth did they make her a blonde in that picture?


I saw the film the other day, and that her character is a blonde is meant to be absurd. It's mentioned in the dance marathon that Mary came out to California with her widowed stage mother Ruth Donnelly to break into the movies, and through the film they have bizarre matching mother-daughter outfits down to not just hair color, but hairstyle as well.

Return to Collecting and Preservation

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

cron