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Does Anyone Have the Murnau/Borzage? [reviews]

PostThu Dec 11, 2008 4:58 pm

[edit by MG: I changed the subject line to reflect that this has become the review thread]

Does Anyone Have the Murnau/Borzage in Their Possession?

... and has viewed the DVDs?

I have not read a single published piece in which the writer seems to have actually watched the DVDs. I'm tired of reading over and over the same school teacherish history lesson. I know all about Murnau, Borzage and Fox, review the damn thing!
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PostThu Dec 11, 2008 5:52 pm

I have a large box awaiting me on my birthday on Sunday... it could be golf tees or an electronic sock sorter, I guess...
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PostThu Dec 11, 2008 6:30 pm

Mine came today. And I'm off to watch LUCKY STAR in about one minute.
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PostThu Dec 11, 2008 8:09 pm

Great!

Even Dave Kehr's review read like Fox's pre release press release. I guess, unlike "Ford at Fox", no advance copies were sent out.
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PostThu Dec 11, 2008 8:36 pm

Kehr had probably seen most of the Ford films already. Nobody's seen the likes of Young Americans in decades.
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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 8:33 am

Mike Gebert wrote:I have a large box awaiting me on my birthday on Sunday... it could be golf tees or an electronic sock sorter, I guess...


An electronic sock sorter? Damn, I hope it's not too late to add that to my Santa list!

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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 9:48 am

I haven't looked at anything but LUCKY STAR so far, and it's a winner. It's really a lovely film to look at, and clearly based on the 7TH HEAVEN principle. Quality is quite good throughout; perhaps a touch on the dark side in places, but overall pleasing. I'd have preferred a more traditional score, but what's provided didn't make me run for the mute button as do those from Maria Newman and similarly atonal "musicians".

Next up...LAZYBONES, the set's other silent that I've never seen.
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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 11:29 am

I've watched only Seventh Heaven and the reconstructed The River. I wasn't expecting much from The River, but the missing footage (the beginning and ending, and a couple of scenes in the middle) is more than compensated for by the reels that survive, which are compellingly steamy. Print quality varies widely on Seventh Heaven, but as I'd never seen the film in any form I was happy to overlook its rough edges. The Movietone soundtrack is, well, a Movietone soundtrack, and no alternative is provided. Hope you like the tune "Diane"--you're going to hear it a lot.
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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 12:19 pm

My set arrived Tuesday and I've had time to watch four of the movies so far. Picture quality and digital compression is uniformly excellent, up to the high Fox standards on their other classics (like the Charlie Chan and Mr. Moto box sets). Sound quality on what I've watched is very good, with the exception of a few passages in They Had to See Paris, which likely had problems with its 1929 Movietone track.

As far as reviewing content goes...

Lazybones (1925) is a film I'd often heard about but never seen. It greatly surpassed my expectations in the depth of its bittersweet story and emotional connection to its characters. Buck Jones is fine in the title role, Madge Bellamy is as cute as ever, Jane Novak is quite good, and ZaSu Pitts gets one of her rare chances to shine in a very dramatic role. While it's a bit slow starting and sometimes treads a fine line between sentiment and sentimentality, this may be an ideal film to introduce silents to people who've never seen a silent drama. The music score is not period, but is very appropriate to the mood and flavor of the story at least 95% of the time.

They Had to See Paris (1929) is a moderately entertaining Will Rogers vehicle about a nouveau riche Oklahoma family, its predictability made up for by occasional pre-code touches and the gorgeous Marguerite Churchill. Fifi D'Orsay is also fun in an over-the-top sort of way. I had seen this before on the AMC festival (back when they actually showed American movie classics), but had almost completely forgotten everything about it except its early talkie style and Will Rogers' typical wit.

After Tomorrow (1932) is a talky soap opera that often feels like the stage play it is, but it is so expertly directed that it's easy to become immersed in the troubled lives of its troubled characters. The camerawork focuses attention on the performances and details of the characters' emotions, rather than merely recording the dialogue. Charles Farrell isn't bad, and Marian Nixon is fine, but William Collier Sr. steals the show. Bob Lipton's imDb review pretty much tells it like it is, but doesn't mention the film's surprisingly casual precode use of (mild) profanity and frank discussions of sex.

Young America (1932) is another example of Borzage's brilliant ability to create intense emotional connections between characters and the audience. This story of juvenile delinquents has a far different feel from films like Mayor of Hell, concentrating more on probing the personalities of its characters than building to a spectacular violent climax (which it also has). Ralph Bellamy is fine but a bit mannered as a sympathetic judge. The young Spencer Tracy demonstrates what made him a star with his growth from callous villain to an understanding and admirable father figure, aided by a steadfast Doris Kenyon as his wife. Tom Conlon and Raymond Borzage are excellent child actors, beautifully handled on screen. Even Beryl Mercer turns in a strong performance.

I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of this superb box set, which belongs in every library and classic film buff's collection.

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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 1:08 pm

:o So have they restored the missing 15 minutes to SEVENTH HEAVEN that was still in the MOMA print? I rather doubt that they have since this DVD was ready to go 4 years ago. At least, that is when the commentary track was recorded.. I hope I am wrong though.

:roll: It's disappointing if this looks exactly like the Region 2 DVD release. That had a few looped changes in the audio too. I hope this has been fixed. Personally, I love the Erno-Rapee-Lew Pollack Movie-tone score. And they play allot more than just "My Diane". The film wouldn't be the same without this vintage track.
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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 2:20 pm

Hey guys, are all the talkie films in this set captioned?

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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 3:24 pm

I just picked up my set and opened it and am looking at LAZYBONES right now. The print quality is very good, but there are issues with the lighter shades. For some reason there tends to be a bit of dazzle to the right side of whites against light greys and the close-ups of the older people look a touch soft, as if they are blown up a bit from medium shots or, perhaps, he is already experimenting with the stocking shots.

But I am being hypercritical here given the opening question.

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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 4:52 pm

Christopher Jacobs wrote:Lazybones (1925) is a film I'd often heard about but never seen.


I've seen this a couple of times at MoMA in a battered print with a very rough ending. How was the condition of this copy?
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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 8:23 pm

Jim, I have so far looked at only THEY HAD TO SEE PARIS of the talkies and it is subtitled inFrench, Spanish and English.

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PostSat Dec 13, 2008 12:12 am

Thanks. I have a pleasant memory of seeing "They Had to See Paris" on AMC, too.

Anyone take a peek at the European version of Sunrise? Since it didn't bear the movietone soundtrack on it, I know it must at least look spatially different. I imagine different takes were used as well, as they were in the European version of "The Iron Horse".

How about "City Girl", which I have only seen in a rather crummy print?
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PostSat Dec 13, 2008 2:00 am

i have held off buying this so far, can anyone tell me if the river is the same thing as the filmmuseum release?
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PostSat Dec 13, 2008 9:36 am

Here's the review I just posted to the IMDB on Borzage's version of LILIOM:

Liliom (1930)
Studio Bound But Just Borzage's Meat, 13 December 2008

There is indeed much to complain about this movie version of Molnar's mystical play --Farrell looks good in his title role, but his line readings, frankly, stink. This also suffers, in large part, from this being credited as the first movie that makes use of rear projection. The sets look phony.

There are two great strengths in this show, however: although the dialogue readings limp, the visual performances are perfect. Rose Hobart, as Julie, is little remembered today: mostly for ROSE HOBART, in which Joseph Cornell cut down the programmer EAST OF BORNEO to simply shots of her: credit Melford's stylish visual direction of the original. Her great beauty and simply (although stagy) performance help repair some of the damage to the earth-bound sections of the movie.

However, one of Borzage's themes is the mystical power of love, and it is the handling of the celestial sections that make this great, from the arrival of the celestial train to the journey to 'the Hot Place'. H.B. Warner's Warner's performance here is, as always, perfect.

Some we have here a flawed but very interesting version. I think that Lang's 1934 version is better, as well as the celestial scenes in the Henry King version of CAROUSEL, the watered-down musical remake. But I still greatly enjoyed this version and think you should give it a chance.
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PostSat Dec 13, 2008 10:21 am

deverett wrote:i have held off buying this so far, can anyone tell me if the river is the same thing as the filmmuseum release?


Not sure. From Janet Bergstrom's essay: "When a print of Borzage's THE RIVER was rediscovered, the beginning, the end and some other pieces were too damaged to be restored. In cooperation with the Cinémathèque Suisse (Lausanne) and the Cinémathèque Française, Hervé Dumont combined the surviving parts with explanatory titles and photographs, making this long fragment into a film in 1993 that caused a sensation."
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It should be the same version

PostSat Dec 13, 2008 4:27 pm

I e mailed Janet and she says as far as she knows it is the same.
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PostSun Dec 14, 2008 11:16 pm

Jim, they all seem to be subtitled in all 3 languages. So you can alternate English-subtitled and French-subtitled viewings, as required under Canadian law.

Just checked out a number of them for print quality. There are some beauts on here; Lucky Star looks very good, City Girl looks great, and the European version of Sunrise looks much better than the US one, has a 3-dimensional level of detail that I've never seen before. I was blase about seeing Sunrise for the, what, 7th or 8th time, but now I'm excited about it.

Looked at Liliom and Bad Girl, the two talkies I'm most interested in, and both looked great. Just happened to hit a Luna Park sequence in the latter, which is an amusing parallel with Sunrise.

There's going to be a lot to check out here.
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PostMon Dec 15, 2008 8:18 am

Mike Gebert wrote:Jim, they all seem to be subtitled in all 3 languages. So you can alternate English-subtitled and French-subtitled viewings, as required under Canadian law.


LOL!

Thanks / Merci beaucoup!

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PostMon Dec 15, 2008 9:13 am

Thanks, Mike..

I've read that "Seventh Heaven" and "Street Angel" are as fuzzy as the prints I've seen at The Film Forum in Manhattan but I'm glad that the Fox movietone soundtracks have been retained. Many people did not like it last year when "Four Sons" was sheared of its original soundtrack and a new one added.
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PostMon Dec 15, 2008 6:24 pm

I just saw the boxed set at Costco, but having ordered mine online, I don't have it yet! Should have read the newsgroup...
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PostMon Dec 15, 2008 6:43 pm

've read that "Seventh Heaven" and "Street Angel" are as fuzzy as the prints I've seen at The Film Forum in Manhattan


They're not a significant step up, that's for sure. Seventh Heaven has reasonably good tonal qualities, but it's a bit battered. Street Angel, when I saw the UCLA or USC (I forget) print, was quite grainy, but tonally was quite good; at least that was my memory, but it doesn't look all that great here, at least not next to other things like City Girl which are downright gorgeous.
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PostThu Dec 18, 2008 11:04 am

Anyone have any idea how much Costco is asking?

I logged onto Costco.com and the set is not listed. I searched under both "Fox" and "boxed sets".
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PostThu Dec 18, 2008 11:22 am

I saw it at Costco, it's $179.99.

Also at Costco of note: the W.C. Fields sets, sets of all the Paramount Marx Bros. titles, and of the Paramount Preston Sturges films.
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PostThu Dec 18, 2008 2:06 pm

Someone somewhere said that Costco has a coupon for a substantial discount on video boxed sets this month, and that the Fox sets are included. Anyway, if you can find it, enjoy it.
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PostThu Dec 18, 2008 5:10 pm

Rodney wrote:Someone somewhere said that Costco has a coupon for a substantial discount on video boxed sets this month, and that the Fox sets are included. Anyway, if you can find it, enjoy it.


If an individual Costco store stocks any of them, Costco offers 60 bucks off their price for selected Fox sets--one of them being Murnau, Borzage and Fox--this offer being good through 12/24. "Coupons" have been published in a Costco mag not available to all members, but you don't need to present one anyway; the discount happens automatically at the register.

When I heard about a discount and in preparation to going to my local Costco, I kinda went around the bend with this, and both e-mailed and phoned their customer service. They both said the above.

But my Costco isn't stocking the set. Hah!

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PostThu Dec 18, 2008 7:56 pm

Ouch! It's at MY Costco, but I don't need it because I ordered it elsewhere before I knew about the discount!
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PostFri Dec 19, 2008 7:44 am

Rodney wrote:Ouch! It's at MY Costco, but I don't need it because I ordered it elsewhere before I knew about the discount!


At least we can savor the irony.

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