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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: Moderate Voice: Killing Comedic Heritage? CBS Reportedly Sea |
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http://themoderatevoice.com/59065/killing-comedic-heritage-cbs-reportedly-seals-some-classic-jack-benny-show-comedy-masters/
Killing Comedic Heritage? CBS Reportedly Seals Some Classic Jack Benny Show Comedy Masters
Posted by JOE GANDELMAN, Editor-In-Chief in Arts & Entertainment, Media.
Jan 11th, 2010 | Comments
Preserving a departed comedian’s comedy heritage, past work and comedic style can be as problematical as perpetuating it beyond the comedian’s death because each passing generation increasing forgets the comedian and his/her work. And the work inevitably loses commercial value. But some comedy greats’ fans, heirs and admirers pull out all stops to make sure that it’s there for those who not only seek to watch it for nostalgic reasons, but for younger people who can LEARN FROM IT if they are aspiring comedians or comedy fans.
Late last week the International Jack Benny Fan Club got some very bad news: rather than allow the club with the Benny family’s enthusiastic blessing to digitally preserve some unreleased public domain Benny show masters that CBS has in its possession, the network is giving a thumbs down to the idea — thus sealing these shows’ fate so they will never be seen again. In effect, it’s a bullet through the head of this body of Benny work. And here is the most frustrating tidbit for comedy fans and those who study comedy: the Fan Club offered to do the preservation at no cost to CBS.
Why does this matter? Benny invented the situation comedy on radio in the 1930s, had perfect timing, assembled a cast of zany characters who poked fun at him, could extend a laugh by the way he slowly panned around the room after a punch line and influenced comedians such as Kelsey Grammer and Johnny Carson. In his final years, he could literally read a page out of the phone book and get laughs. His final weekly series went off the air in 1964 but he continued to do specials until he died in 1974. (Here is his Wikipedia bio) When he died I was then writing from New Delhi, India for the now defunct Chicago Daily News and they would cable me about my submissions that week with messages saying “SORRY TOO MUCH JACK BENNY” because their many stories about the beloved 20th century comedy icon who was a star of vaudeville, radio, movies and television took up pages in the paper the week of his death (there was a double tie in: he was born in nearby Waukegan.)
Some of his work is available on DVDs, but Fan Club President Laura Leff had felt the club discovered virtual buried comedy treasure. Now, reportedly, CBS is planning to BURY the treasure up so no one can see it.
Here is what she posted on the club’s website (full link is HERE):
CBS permanently seals Jack Benny television masters
In December 2008 when I was at CBS overseeing the color specials transfer, I was told that CBS had the Benny television program masters. I was breathless!
I got a listing of their holdings, and selected about 25 shows that are currently uncirculated and in the public domain. I sent the request for us to digitally preserve these shows, at the IJBFC’s cost, to Lorra-Lea Bartlett, the Manager of the CBS Contracts Rights and Clearances department.
This was followed by about nine months of waiting for the CBS New York legal department to respond to the request. On September 7th, I was asked to provide a letter from the Benny Estate requesting that the programs be released, and “that should get this unstuck.” The Estate happily provided the letter to CBS. I continued to follow up weekly for status.
Today I was informed by Peter Murray, Lorra-Lea’s assistant, that she had talked with CBS’ Vice President of Business Affairs, and “there are so many issues with those shows, that even if we took the time to figure it out, we still almost certainly wouldn’t do the deal.” So that’s it. Access to the Jack Benny television masters is sealed.
In 1964, James Aubrey told Jack Benny that his weekly television series was terminated with the words, “YOU’RE THROUGH, OLD MAN!” Sadly, 46 years later, CBS has repeated the sentiment by condemning these shows to permanent silence.
Want to tell CBS what you think?
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Regular mail:
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New York, New York 10019-6188
If you go to the link, there’s a list of what CBS has.
Preserving the work of artists — musicians, actors, comedians, dangers, singers, rock stars and more — is vital. It’s a part of our cultural heritage.
The sad part here is: based on Leff’s account, the network that once made millions off of Benny just plans to put these masters away so no one can ever see them again — even if the family of Jack Benny would like his work to be available and even if the fan club offers to pay for the digital preservation itself.
There indeed could be some copyright and other issues. But is simply bottling up the masters and never letting them see the light of day an artistically laudable decision? Clearly, some Benny shows are on DVD via companies that use both public domain episodes and others that seem to be licensed.
FOOTNOTE: We’ve run some Benny You Tubes and always got enthusiastic emails, particularly from younger TMV readers who were seeing him for the first time. We will run some more soon since much of his work holds up quite well. And some of it — CBS has seemingly indicated — will never be seen again. _________________ Bruce Calvert
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Ray Faiola

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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:20 am Post subject: |
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CBS owns the materials, yes. Whether or not they are actually in the public domain is at question. Regardless, these programs cannot simply be transferred and distributed. There are royalty satisfactions that would have to be made on each episode. It is for this reason that vintage television programs are only accessed and transferred to current media when they are LICENSED.
We have restored and licensed many vintage programs to independent video companies, most notably STUDIO ONE and SUSPENSE. Did anyone ever expect to see SUSPENSE on DVD?? _________________ Classic Film Scores on CD
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Jim Roots

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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Very few Jack Benny Show episodes are available in captioned versions, but I've greatly enjoyed the few I've been able to catch. And I enjoy his movies and whatever TV guests spots I've found with captioning. (Side-note: because of his use of silence, Benny is one comedian whose stuff really works very well with captions. Not like, say, motormouth Robin Williams.)
That said, I wouldn't agree he invented the sitcom. Maybe he invented its radio version, but the sitcom was almost the first narrative genre in film history -- see the clip of the little boy bending a hose to catch his mother with a faceful of water, on The Movies Begin. Charley Chase is usually credited with refining the genre into the 23-minute-or-so standard radio-TV format.
And just how does one bury something UP?
I am very much saddened by this news. Jack Benny was a true comic genius and a genuinely funny one. He deserves to be on TV at least as much as SpongeBob SquarePants (whom I also like!)
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gjohnson
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Despite Ray's attempt to throw cold water on Benny by citing a lot of legalese what is wrong with an independent group offering to cover the cost of restoration? Would that not help pave the way for a production company to then move in and begin the negotiations to license the shows?
Gary J. |
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Chris Snowden
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| gjohnson wrote: |
Despite Ray's attempt to throw cold water on Benny by citing a lot of legalese what is wrong with an independent group offering to cover the cost of restoration? Would that not help pave the way for a production company to then move in and begin the negotiations to license the shows?
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What's the point of spending a lot of money to preserve the shows if no one will be allowed to see them?
Ray wasn't throwing any cold water on anything, he was explaining why CBS won't give its cooperation. No one can negotiate the licensing of the shows until after it's established which parties might have a claim, and that can't be done except by CBS's legal department. That's a long and expensive process, especially considering how many musical guests there were in those Benny specials. It'd be nice if CBS would cooperate, but that kind of research is expensive.
This is the same hurdle that keeps a lot of vintage material locked up in vaults and archives. _________________ Chris Snowden
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gjohnson
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And yet vintage material continually gets released in various formats by many companies every year so it's obviously not as daunting of a proposition as you want to make it out as. Now, none of us knows what the legal roadblocks to Benny's shows are since the article didn't elaborate but if one hurdle could be taken care of (the restoration) that may prod someone with a little chutzpah to tackle the other hurdle.
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KenGriffin

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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| Ray Faiola wrote: |
| CBS owns the materials, yes. Whether or not they are actually in the public domain is at question. Regardless, these programs cannot simply be transferred and distributed. There are royalty satisfactions that would have to be made on each episode. |
Royalty satisfactions don't even come into it - they just want to preserve the shows, not distribute them. CBS's rejection seems bizarre - they have a group who are willing to pay for the preservation and transfer of the materials.
In the worst case, they save on preservation costs. In the best case, it may be viable for them to find some market for them once the preservation has been dealt with. |
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Jack Theakston

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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Judging from the discussions in some circles, there is far more to this story than these simple press-release type articles being published are telling.
IMHO, making a stink about this in the press was bad form, whatever the circumstances. _________________ J. Theakston
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KenGriffin

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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Jack Theakston wrote: |
| Judging from the discussions in some circles, there is far more to this story than these simple press-release type articles being published are telling. |
I agree. I've done a bit more research and I would be worried that preservation could become liberation - which would be illegal without the necessary clearances. |
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Jim Roots

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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| KenGriffin wrote: |
| Jack Theakston wrote: |
| Judging from the discussions in some circles, there is far more to this story than these simple press-release type articles being published are telling. |
I agree. I've done a bit more research and I would be worried that preservation could become liberation - which would be illegal without the necessary clearances. |
Would you guys kindly step out of the Raymond Chandler book you think you're in and tell us plainly what the "real" story is?
Jim |
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Harold Aherne

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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| Jim Roots wrote: |
Would you guys kindly step out of the Raymond Chandler book you think you're in and tell us plainly what the "real" story is?
Jim |
Post #14 in this HTF thread has some useful info. If this information is accurate, the whole anti-CBS story sounds like much ado over hardly anything.
-Harold |
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