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More silent classics on Blu-ray coming this year

PostFri Apr 20, 2012 1:51 am

I just happened to check the "Silent Screenings" thread and ran across this announcement by Tim Lanza of the Cohen Film Collection (new owners of the Rohauer collection) that will be of interest to many...

Hi. The TCM Fest screening of THIEF OF BAGDAD will be the premiere of our new 2K scan done by Modern Videofilm from two 35MM negs. Modern has spent about 2 months on the scan, clean-up and tinting and it will be (very) hot off the presses by the time it hits the screen at the Egyptian. We are thrilled that Mont Alto will be providing live accompaniment for this show.

This new version will air on TCM, but not until after mid-2013. It will be accompanied by the Carl Davis orchestral score. We will be releasing that version on Blu-ray and DVD later this year with a feature length audio commentary by Jeffery Vance.

Our 2K scan of INTOLERANCE, also accompanied by the Carl Davis score, will be coming out on Blu-ray later this year as well. It will include MOTHER AND THE LAW and FALL OF BABYLON as extra features.

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Tim Lanza


It'll be interesting to see what's different about this THIEF OF BAGDAD, though it would also be nice to have the Mont Alto score included as an alternate audio track. It will certainly be great to hear INTOLERANCE with a full orchestra score instead of the familiar pipe organ or electronic keyboard scores, and will interesting to compare the cut to my old tinted MoMA print (which is one of two different cuts that MoMA has, not counting the rather misconceived reconstruction of the premiere night version using stills).

It will also be wonderful to see the complete MOTHER AND THE LAW available (hopefully also in HD), as it's a sadly neglected and unjustly underrated Griffith feature that deserves to be seen on its own rather than only in its fragmented form within INTOLERANCE. The substantial additional material makes the story even more powerful, and possibly more accessible to those who still find the structure of INTOLERANCE too overblown to hold their interest. I'm wondering whether the FALL OF BABYLON bonus feature is a complete version of that segment that was released theatrically in seven reels with the alternate ending, or if it's the same condensation that Blackhawk used to sell on 8mm film. Hopefully that, too, will be in HD on the Blu-ray.

I hope we can see many more Griffith and Fairbanks titles make it to Blu-ray in the near future, the way we've been getting Keaton and soon will be seeing Pickford! Griffith, especially, is due for major re-evaluation once the general public is able to realize that THE BIRTH OF A NATION was not the only film he ever directed and is far from representative of the scope of his career.
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PostFri Apr 20, 2012 6:38 am

Thanks for posting it in here, Christopher, I had completely missed this huge announcement!

I have been collecting older VHS and Laserdisc copies of those films with Carl Davis scores recently as I didn't think many of them would make it to BD. I am so pleased that they are making it to this format and that I didn't spend a fortune on Intolerance on VHS (not that I ever found it). I do have Thief of Bagdad on Laserdisc but my copy was only about GBP10 so hardly broke the bank.
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PostFri Apr 20, 2012 11:15 am

That's great news. If it has a Carl Davis score, I don't need alternatives. (I only need alternates for Hot Air or the Hairlip Orchestra.)
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PostFri Apr 20, 2012 8:32 pm

Not sure where you looked but Intolerance VHS is pretty easy to find and pretty cheap. I was going to sell mine on amazon but the price is so low it is hardly worth it.
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PostFri Apr 20, 2012 8:39 pm

:? None of this is exactly breaking news. We knew about it for a couple weeks already. If you can tell me that THE EAGLE with the Carl Davis score is coming out that would be news. Better still THE BIG PARADE, THE CROWD, and SHOW PEOPLE from Warner's. All fully restored.

I am excited about THIEF finally hitting Blu-ray with the Davis score. INTOLERANCE as well. So what happens to the stunningly restored print that the Danish Film Institute produced a few years ago. The one that debuted on Arte TV France in 2007? Far and away the best print material I have seen of INTOLERANCE. It was never released on DVD to the best of my knowledge. David Shepard has also said that Film Preservation Associates had produced a newer and much improved version of this picture.
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PostFri Apr 20, 2012 9:07 pm

Gagman 66 wrote::? None of this is exactly breaking news. We knew about it for a couple weeks already. If you can tell me that THE EAGLE with the Carl Davis score is coming out that would be news. Better still THE BIG PARADE, THE CROWD, and SHOW PEOPLE from Warner's. All fully restored.

I am excited about THIEF finally hitting Blu-ray with the Davis score. INTOLERANCE as well. So what happens to the stunningly restored print that the danish Film Institute produced a few years ago. The one that debuted on Arte TV France in 2007? Far and away the best print material I have seen of INTOLERANCE. It was never released on DVD to the best of my knowledge. David Shepard has also said that Film Preservation Associates had produced a newer and much improved version of this picture.


THE THIEF OF BAGDAD with the Carl Davis score is what got me into silent films upon its broadcast on PBS in the '80s, so I'm incredibly excited by this news. Nothing against the Mont Alto score, mind you, which is exceptional, but I have a very sentimental attachment to that old Davis score.
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PostFri Apr 20, 2012 9:13 pm

:) Likewise, The first time I saw THE THIEF OF BAGDAD in 1982 it was the Thames Silents Edition, with Carl Davis spectacular Orchestral score. For me, no other score could ever quite measure up to the scope and power of Davis fabulous arrangement. I do have the Laser-disc release. I'd kind of given up hope that this score would ever resurface again on DVD, let alone Blue-ray. So a most welcome surprise to be sure.
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PostFri Apr 20, 2012 9:44 pm

Gagman 66 wrote::? None of this is exactly breaking news. We knew about it for a couple weeks already. If you can tell me that THE EAGLE with the Carl Davis score is coming out that would be news. Better still THE BIG PARADE, THE CROWD, and SHOW PEOPLE from Warner's. All fully restored.

I am excited about THIEF finally hitting Blu-ray with the Davis score. INTOLERANCE as well. So what happens to the stunningly restored print that the Danish Film Institute produced a few years ago. The one that debuted on Arte TV France in 2007? Far and away the best print material I have seen of INTOLERANCE. It was never released on DVD to the best of my knowledge. David Shepard has also said that Film Preservation Associates had produced a newer and much improved version of this picture.


No need to be confused. It's not breaking news to those who regularly follow the posts in the "Silent Screenings" forum. However with certain exceptions like the NAPOLEON thread and to some extent the THIEF OF BAGDAD thread, very few of the posts in those forums ever get read by anyone not in the immediate vicinity of the screenings, much less replied to. Anyone casually checking the forum is not likely to expect announcements of upcoming video and TV releases in discussions of live theatrical screenings. This forum is much more likely to have such an announcement get noticed by people looking for that kind of thing, so here it is!

Once they come out, everybody can start arguing over why THIEF OF BAGDAD was not transferred at 30fps like it should have been, and why INTOLERANCE was not transferred at 14fps like it should have been. And of course why they don't have half a dozen alternate music scores, because my favorite score wasn't included!

As for other versions of INTOLERANCE, it would be most welcome to see two (or three or four) alternate Blu-ray releases of the film, each from different sources. No two surviving prints are identical, so no single video release can possibly be considered definitive. The more versions available, the better (and, of course, the more choices in music scores there'll be -- with any luck maybe even a reconstruction of the original 1916 score, which exists at the Library of Congress!). What I'm really hoping is that THE MOTHER AND THE LAW and THE FALL OF BABYLON will both be included in full HD with appropriate scores (even if just a piano), and both in their full-length theatrical release versions, preferably with a set of alternate scenes/outtakes that have been seen on previous video incarnations. A couple of text screens or booklet essay explaining their circumstances would also be welcome if it's not all discussed in the INTOLERANCE audio commentary track. A separate stills gallery of the surviving film frames used for the copyright registration is all that's really needed to represent the deleted scenes, rather than trying to insert them into the body of the film.

In any case, I'm anxiously looking forward to seeing INTOLERANCE in HD and with the Carl Davis score for the first time, having been blown away by the film as a teenager watching a friend's 8mm silent B&W print, part of which he synchronized closely with records, but with all the increasingly faster cross-cutting, he finally gave up changing them for the last couple of reels.
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PostSat Apr 21, 2012 1:12 am

ColemanShedman wrote:Not sure where you looked but Intolerance VHS is pretty easy to find and pretty cheap. I was going to sell mine on amazon but the price is so low it is hardly worth it.


It was Intolerance with the Carl Davis score specifically that I was looking for. That seems to be quite difficult to find... Perhaps gagman could confirm?
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PostSat Apr 21, 2012 3:35 am

The recent restoration of Intolerance by the Danish Film Institute is out in France (on R2 DVD):

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If the image is gorgeous, the score by Antoine Duhamel & Pierre Jansen is pretty awful. You'd better wait for the Carl Davis release.
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PostSat Apr 21, 2012 11:50 am

i hope these films will also be on the normal dvd.
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PostSat Apr 21, 2012 1:55 pm

I'm definitely looking forward to getting The Thief of Bagdad on blu ray. I have to say though that I have always been very partial to Gaylord Carter's Wurlitzer score though. This was one of the very first silents I saw, and I saw it on TCM in 1998. Since that day, I have always been very partial to organ scores. I even feel defensive at times when I see some comments on these message boards that disparage theater organ scores. I am still looking forward to hearing the Carl Davis score. I've never heard a bad score from him, and I hope that this score won't break that record for me. I have read some reviews of this score as being nothing more than a Rimsky-Korsakov Scheherazade needle-drop, but I will reserve judgement until hearing the score myself.
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PostSat Apr 21, 2012 2:25 pm

Christine,

:o I didn't know that the Danish restoration of INTOLERANCE had a release. Thanks for the information.

Little Caesar,

:? I don't much care for Gaylord Carter's Theater Organ score for THIEF. If you had heard the Davis one first, you probably wouldn't have been very happy with it either. However, as far as I know this version is still on DVD from Image Entertainment. The current Kino DVD released in 2003 or 2004 I believe has the Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra score. The older Kino VHS and Laser-disc had the Carter score as well. This is where it gets confusing, as TCM still runs that version. They never aired THIEF with the Mont Alto score, which is disappointing. Also the newer Kino transfer was much sharper and crisper than the previous one had been.
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Gagman 66 wrote:Christine,

:o I didn't know that the Danish restoration of INTOLERANCE had a release. Thanks for the information.

Little Caesar,

:? I don't much care for Gaylord Carter's Theater Organ score for THIEF. If you had heard the Davis one first, you probably wouldn't have been very happy with it either. However, as far as I know this version is still on DVD from Image Entertainment. The current Kino DVD released in 2003 or 2004 I believe has the Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra score. The older Kino VHS and Laser-disc had the Carter score as well. This is where it gets confusing, as TCM still runs that version. They never aired THIEF with the Mont Alto score, which is disappointing. Also the newer Kino transfer was much sharper and crisper than the previous one had been.


I think that we're going to have to agree to disagree. Personally, I think that the Gaylord Carter score for The Thief of Bagdad is a very fine score, but that's not to say that it's the definitive score. Also, I am very biased toward theater organ scores. I still prefer Carter's score for Wings over the newly recorded score (as good as that score is though).
I do like the Mont Alto score for Thief of Bagdad too, and I'm looking forward to the Carl Davis score. Not too many silents are privileged to have three good scores readily available on DVD/Blu-Ray. Now the Lee Erwin organ score to the Thief of Bagdad is a disaster. Erwin was a fine organist, but I don't consider him to have been a good silent film accompanist.
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PostSat Apr 21, 2012 5:25 pm

http://www.amazon.com/Intolerance-VHS-Lillian-Gish/dp/6302180007/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1335050582&sr=8-15

From $3.00. Kind of moot at this point but this has been available for some time (with the Carl Davis score). I got my used copy through amazon for less than $7 and it plays fine, although I will definitely be upgrading to blu!
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PostSun Apr 22, 2012 11:44 am

ColemanShedman wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Intolerance-VHS-Lillian-Gish/dp/6302180007/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1335050582&sr=8-15

From $3.00. Kind of moot at this point but this has been available for some time (with the Carl Davis score). I got my used copy through amazon for less than $7 and it plays fine, although I will definitely be upgrading to blu!


Thanks for the link. Somehow I managed to completely miss this, and it's surprisingly affordable.

I'm lucky in that I have a laserdisc player, and paradoxically laserdiscs seem more affordable than VHSs. Have you seen how much the VHS of Four Horseman with the Davis score is going for on Amazon? I picked up a laserdisc of it much more cheaply.

Show People is proving more elusive at a sensible price, though.
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PostMon Apr 23, 2012 11:55 am

i do hope the films will also be on normal dvd (since i dont have a blu ray yet).
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PostWed Apr 25, 2012 12:14 pm

Oh my...I finished watching "Wings" on Blu-ray and it's one thing for the film to look amazing in HD but for those with a home theater system (I have a 7.2 setup), I was absolutely floored by the 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio lossless audio. The sound effects...I was not expecting to hear it. But when the LFE (subwoofer) started to rumble and started to hear audio coming from all around me during the dogfighting sequences, my first reaction was "oh sh*t! What the heck? Wow!".

I know others are set with the Carl Davis and Gaylord Carter score but I absolute enjoyed the Zamecnik score and the use of sound effects. I watched it days earlier with the Gaylor Carter score first...but I was very impressed with the 5.1 DTS-HD MA track!

And this is another reason and film for why silent film fans will want to upgrade to Blu-ray....video and audio are fantastic on this Blu-ray release!
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kndy wrote:Oh my...I finished watching "Wings" on Blu-ray and it's one thing for the film to look amazing in HD but for those with a home theater system (I have a 7.2 setup), I was absolutely floored by the 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio lossless audio. The sound effects...I was not expecting to hear it. But when the LFE (subwoofer) started to rumble and started to hear audio coming from all around me during the dogfighting sequences, my first reaction was "oh sh*t! What the heck? Wow!".

I know others are set with the Carl Davis and Gaylord Carter score but I absolute enjoyed the Zamecnik score and the use of sound effects. I watched it days earlier with the Gaylor Carter score first...but I was very impressed with the 5.1 DTS-HD MA track!

And this is another reason and film for why silent film fans will want to upgrade to Blu-ray....video and audio are fantastic on this Blu-ray release!


You've beautifully summed up one of the great aspects of modern technology - being able to release a film with multiple scores! I know that it's not always going to be feasible (ownership issues, differences in frame rates, etc.), but I always like having multiple scores to choose from. This is why I am left scratching my head when I read about the controversies with the recent releases of "A Trip to the Moon" and Metropolis (granted, I'm not an Alloy fan, but I don't see any problem with having their recorded score as an alternate choice). Having multiple scores on a film is not some insult to the "preferred" score. Insisting that only one score be used at the exclusion of others seems somewhat arrogant to me. Just my opinion.
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PostWed Apr 25, 2012 12:39 pm

I wanted to chime in my approval. I watched Wings the other night, albeit I started with the Gaylord Carter and was thriled with how beautiful the film looks. Just beautiful. I'll watch again this weekend with the new score and sound effects, the hoopla around here certainly has me curious.
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Christopher Jacobs wrote:I hope we can see many more Griffith and Fairbanks titles make it to Blu-ray in the near future, the way we've been getting Keaton and soon will be seeing Pickford! Griffith, especially, is due for major re-evaluation once the general public is able to realize that THE BIRTH OF A NATION was not the only film he ever directed and is far from representative of the scope of his career.

Good point. It will take years (maybe a generation) to undo the damage to Griffith's entire career by overzealous political correctness and the race-baiters of late 20th and early 21st centuries. Those who will not look beyond BOAN or his other major "epics" are only doing themselves a disservice if they truly have an interest in the history and development of motion pictures as an art form and as entertainment. These new releases can only help.

I'd still love to see some restorations of the Biograph shorts, ones that are not available to home video. Several of those "rarely seen" Biographs from the Mary Pickford Foundation "vault" were shown recently by the Mary Pickford Institute, and it would be great to see them released on dvd or blu-ray, or as extras on another release. Goes without saying that the ones in the LoC ought to be made part of some major restoration project -- I know, I can only dream. Or so it seems.
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PostFri May 04, 2012 1:12 am

Gene Zonarich wrote:
Christopher Jacobs wrote:I hope we can see many more Griffith and Fairbanks titles make it to Blu-ray in the near future, the way we've been getting Keaton and soon will be seeing Pickford! Griffith, especially, is due for major re-evaluation once the general public is able to realize that THE BIRTH OF A NATION was not the only film he ever directed and is far from representative of the scope of his career.

Good point. It will take years (maybe a generation) to undo the damage to Griffith's entire career by overzealous political correctness and the race-baiters of late 20th and early 21st centuries. Those who will not look beyond BOAN or his other major "epics" are only doing themselves a disservice if they truly have an interest in the history and development of motion pictures as an art form and as entertainment. These new releases can only help.

I'd still love to see some restorations of the Biograph shorts, ones that are not available to home video. Several of those "rarely seen" Biographs from the Mary Pickford Foundation "vault" were shown recently by the Mary Pickford Institute, and it would be great to see them released on dvd or blu-ray, or as extras on another release. Goes without saying that the ones in the LoC ought to be made part of some major restoration project -- I know, I can only dream. Or so it seems.

Well, I'll be running Griffith's rather significant (in a number of ways) HOUSE WITH CLOSED SHUTTERS, with Henry B. Walthall and the all-but-forgotten Dorothy West, as one of the shorts before my Memorial Day evening basement theatre screening, though sadly it's only included on a standard DVD with Kino's new Blu-ray of THE BIRTH OF A NATION, just as with their DVD release. I'd love to see a multi-disc Blu-ray box set of Griffith's surviving films, even if released one volume at a time, and his Biograph output is most in need of wider exposure (with a nicely representative but very small sample currently on DVD, and several titles included with other non-Griffith films or collections, so harder to find if you're looking for them). I remember once seeing Griffith's THE TRANSFORMATION OF MIKE on an old Blackhawk 8mm print that included the complete film in shooting order, as preserved from the original camera negative, as well as edited into its release order with added title cards. This is the kind of thing that would be wonderful to see on a Blu-ray (besides the rest of Griffith's features, of course).
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Christopher Jacobs wrote:Well, I'll be running Griffith's rather significant (in a number of ways) HOUSE WITH CLOSED SHUTTERS, with Henry B. Walthall and the all-but-forgotten Dorothy West, as one of the shorts before my Memorial Day evening basement theatre screening, though sadly it's only included on a standard DVD with Kino's new Blu-ray of THE BIRTH OF A NATION, just as with their DVD release. I'd love to see a multi-disc Blu-ray box set of Griffith's surviving films, even if released one volume at a time, and his Biograph output is most in need of wider exposure (with a nicely representative but very small sample currently on DVD, and several titles included with other non-Griffith films or collections, so harder to find if you're looking for them). I remember once seeing Griffith's THE TRANSFORMATION OF MIKE on an old Blackhawk 8mm print that included the complete film in shooting order, as preserved from the original camera negative, as well as edited into its release order with added title cards. This is the kind of thing that would be wonderful to see on a Blu-ray (besides the rest of Griffith's features, of course).

Agreed. But the Biograph films most conspicuous by their absence in anything approaching a restored state are the films from his first 18 months at Biograph, 1908-09. The KINO and IMage releases, as good as they are, have precious little from this period (even the Pickford shorts are few, and forget about any of the films featuring Florence Lawrence and Marion Leonard (except "The Sealed Room"). And as much as I appreciate the work of Grapevine Video, their releases of these earliest titles are, in most cases, barely watchable. But they'll have to do in the meantime, I suppose.
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PostSat May 05, 2012 11:23 pm

:? So is there any update on when Lubitsch THE LOVES OF PHARAOH will finely be out?
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Gagman 66 wrote::? So is there any update on when Lubitsch THE LOVES OF PHARAOH will finely be out?



I'm very interested in this one.
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PostTue May 08, 2012 8:31 pm

I was in contact with Alpha-Omega. They told that hope to release the DVD and BluRay in the next weeks, but who knows...
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PostSat Oct 20, 2012 1:56 am

Found this on Facebook about the THIEF OF BAGDAD 2k resto:
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I have asked the question if/ when a Blu-ray is coming...
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PostSat Oct 20, 2012 12:58 pm

JohnAmer,

:o The trailer for THIEF looks spectacular! Thanks much. Any word on the Cohen INTOLERANCE.? Hopefully, these guys will release THE EAGLE with the Carl Davis score too. Obviously there not going to get this out before the end of the year.
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PostTue Oct 23, 2012 6:46 am

Their reply to me:

Thanks, John. 1st Qtr 2013 for the US in Blu-ray and DVD. In addition to the stunning Carl Davis orchestral score, the disc will also include a feature length audio commentary by Fairbanks scholar Jeffrey Vance, a featurette comprised of more than 80 behind-the-scenes photos and explanatory text, plus high resolution scans of the original 1924 souvenir booklet. Both the featurette and the trailer were cut in-house by our resident award-winning filmmaker and former Library of Congress Motion Picture Specialist Patrick Steele. Look for his own feature, TRUE NATURE, on home video before the end of the year.

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