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The Great Gatsby (2013)

PostSun Jan 08, 2012 10:11 pm

At first glance, this still from
The Great Gatsby resembles
an Archie Comics version.

I'm used to the lead roles being played
by older stars. Were they this young
in the novel?
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Re: The Great Gatsby (2012)

PostSun Jan 08, 2012 10:23 pm

syd wrote:At first glance, this still from
The Great Gatsby resembles
an Archie Comics version.

I'm used to the lead roles being played
by older stars. Were they this young
in the novel?


Younger.
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PostSun Jan 08, 2012 10:47 pm

The main cast are almost exactly the same age as their counterparts in the 1974 version. Robert Redford was 38 when he played the role of Gatsby. Leonardo di Caprio is 37. Mia Farrow was 29; Carey Mulligan is 26. Toby Maguire is 36, Sam Waterston was 34.

I'm reserving my judgement on this film until after I've seen it, not before.
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PostMon Jan 09, 2012 2:23 am

Brooksie wrote:I'm reserving my judgement on this film until after I've seen it, not before.

Quite right.
However, I am intrigued with the whole 3D thing in this particular case. What can it possibly bring to the party?
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PostMon Jan 09, 2012 6:46 am

Funny, but in the 20's the young adults acted like kids, but looked like adults. That line-up there looks like today; that is, when the young adults act like the little children they think they should be and look like babies, to boot! Leonardo di Caprio - c'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostMon Jan 09, 2012 10:01 am

R Michael Pyle wrote:Funny, but in the 20's the young adults acted like kids, but looked like adults. That line-up there looks like today; that is, when the young adults act like the little children they think they should be and look like babies, to boot! Leonardo di Caprio - c'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What have you got against di Caprio? I think he's perfect casting for Gatsby.
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Re: The Great Gatsby (2012)

PostMon Jan 09, 2012 10:48 am

Frederica wrote:
R Michael Pyle wrote:Funny, but in the 20's the young adults acted like kids, but looked like adults. That line-up there looks like today; that is, when the young adults act like the little children they think they should be and look like babies, to boot! Leonardo di Caprio - c'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What have you got against di Caprio? I think he's perfect casting for Gatsby.


Plus he's built up an impressive resume and has worked with the best directors Hollywood:

J. Edgar (2011) (dir Clint Eastwood)
Inception (2010) (dir Christopher Nolan)
Shutter Island (2010) (dir Martin Scorsese)
Revolutionary Road (2008)(dir sam Mendes)
Body of Lies (2008) (dir Ridley Scott)
Blood Diamond (2006) (dir Edward Zwick)
The Departed (2006) (dir Martin Scorsese)
The Aviator (2004) (dir Martin Scorsese)
Catch Me If You Can (2002) (dir Steven Spielberg)
Gangs of New York (2002) (dir (dir Martin Scorsese)
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PostMon Jan 09, 2012 1:29 pm

DiCaprio is well cast, but they do all look like they're 18, that's just the style. You know who else was 34? Victor Mature in Kiss of Death. That's what guys used to look like.

Me, I'm waiting for Fitzgerald to go out of copyright because someone will finally write "Jimmy Gatz," the story of Gatsby's early years working for Meyer Wolfsheim. Now that I'd like to see.
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PostTue Jan 10, 2012 7:25 am

I'm with you!

As for di Caprio; sorry, but to me he looks like a little, little boy. Nice line up of films, granted. Just not a fan.
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PostTue Jan 10, 2012 10:15 am

and I'm sorry, but he looks nothing like Howard Hughes. The Aviator was a well made film, but when you cast someone who looks more like Dennis the Menace, it just doesn't work.
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PostTue Jan 10, 2012 10:17 am

While speaking about versions of The Great Gatsby I noticed that this coming Saturday on BET a version I never heard of called G (2002).
TV Guide describes it thus: Intriguing hip-hop riff on "The Great Gatsby," centering on a wealthy rap mogul (Richard T. Jones) pursuing a lost love (Chenoa Maxwell) in the Hamptons.

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PostTue Jan 10, 2012 4:02 pm

josemas wrote:While speaking about versions of The Great Gatsby I noticed that this coming Saturday on BET a version I never heard of called G (2002).
TV Guide describes it thus: Intriguing hip-hop riff on "The Great Gatsby," centering on a wealthy rap mogul (Richard T. Jones) pursuing a lost love (Chenoa Maxwell) in the Hamptons.

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PostTue Jan 10, 2012 8:59 pm

Michael O'Regan wrote:
Brooksie wrote:I'm reserving my judgement on this film until after I've seen it, not before.

Quite right.
However, I am intrigued with the whole 3D thing in this particular case. What can it possibly bring to the party?


I think films like this will be the great testing ground for 3D. It can be used merely to give depth and atmosphere to the picture rather than to produce a specific 'wow'. There were a few scenes in the latest Harry Potter film which were quite extraordinary in 3D, even though the effect was subtle. I can imagine a lot of free cameras whirling, Karl Freund-style, through glittering parties and across moonlit gardens. It has the potential to be very effective.

Whether that's enough of a bonus to keep people shelling out extra is another matter.
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PostWed Jan 11, 2012 8:48 am

"However, I am intrigued with the whole 3D thing in this particular case. What can it possibly bring to the party?"

Perhaps the light on the end of Daisy's dock will seem a little closer to Jay Gatsby?
Indeed hard to see much point in a 3d version of what is essentially an indoor story, with a few motor trips. Indeed with two earlier versions, neither wonderful, not much point in a remake either. Now if it was "The Diamond as big as the Ritz" 3d might make a little more sense.
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PostWed Jan 11, 2012 12:31 pm

3D is just another technological tool, any more than color, widescreen or stereophonic sound (and we all know you don't need any of those to tell a good story). The problem is you have an awful lot of productions that simply just don't know what they're doing, putting out poor quality product. And unlike the former aspects of film, poorly done 3D can actually put the viewer in physical discomfort, which is why it has frequently come and gone in the past.

As far as enhancing the story, I think HOUSE OF WAX is a great example of this. There are two scenes in the film that the 3D really helps the story, and none of them include paddle balls; the first is when Phyllis Kirk is being chased after by the killer through the city streets at night. There's one shot where she is in the foreground, protected by a wall, and the monster in in the background, creeping up. The shot totally plays different in 3D than flat. Later in the picture, Paul Picerni is creeping around the wax museum, and instead of something coming from the inside of the frame out into the audience, Charles Bronson jumps IN from the stereo frame, attacking him. It is one of the best 3D moments in a film that gets an audience gasp, and the effect is TOTALLY lost flat.
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PostWed Jan 11, 2012 1:12 pm

Jack Theakston wrote:
As far as enhancing the story, I think HOUSE OF WAX is a great example of this. There are two scenes in the film that the 3D really helps the story, and none of them include paddle balls; the first is when Phyllis Kirk is being chased after by the killer through the city streets at night. There's one shot where she is in the foreground, protected by a wall, and the monster in in the background, creeping up. The shot totally plays different in 3D than flat. Later in the picture, Paul Picerni is creeping around the wax museum, and instead of something coming from the inside of the frame out into the audience, Charles Bronson jumps IN from the stereo frame, attacking him. It is one of the best 3D moments in a film that gets an audience gasp, and the effect is TOTALLY lost flat.

Sure. I can totally see that.
But, there will surely be no such moments in GATSBY??
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PostWed Jan 11, 2012 1:39 pm

Michael O'Regan wrote:
Jack Theakston wrote:
As far as enhancing the story, I think HOUSE OF WAX is a great example of this. There are two scenes in the film that the 3D really helps the story, and none of them include paddle balls; the first is when Phyllis Kirk is being chased after by the killer through the city streets at night. There's one shot where she is in the foreground, protected by a wall, and the monster in in the background, creeping up. The shot totally plays different in 3D than flat. Later in the picture, Paul Picerni is creeping around the wax museum, and instead of something coming from the inside of the frame out into the audience, Charles Bronson jumps IN from the stereo frame, attacking him. It is one of the best 3D moments in a film that gets an audience gasp, and the effect is TOTALLY lost flat.

Sure. I can totally see that.
But, there will surely be no such moments in GATSBY??


I can see it working during some of the party sequences, which are a tad hallucinatory anyway.
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PostWed Jan 11, 2012 1:44 pm

Michael O'Regan wrote:Sure. I can totally see that.
But, there will surely be no such moments in GATSBY??


That entirely depends upon the vision of the director. There are obviously no major action moments in the story, but the psychological usage of 3D is not just limited to shock moments, despite the overemphasis on shock in modern 3D pictures.
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PostWed Jan 11, 2012 1:49 pm

Well, we'll see when it's released I guess. I'm not particularly trying to criticise the use of 3D in the film. I'm just curious is all.
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PostWed Jan 11, 2012 2:10 pm

They'll probably use 3D for the car accident scene. Blood and gore and body parts being flung in your lap -- that's what the kids like these days, isn't it?

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PostWed Jan 11, 2012 7:34 pm

Brooksie wrote:The main cast are almost exactly the same age as their counterparts in the 1974 version. Robert Redford was 38 when he played the role of Gatsby. Leonardo di Caprio is 37. Mia Farrow was 29; Carey Mulligan is 26. Toby Maguire is 36, Sam Waterston was 34.

I'm reserving my judgement on this film until after I've seen it, not before.


Warner Baxter was 37. Going on 45 probably, at least that's how he usually looked. Alan Ladd was 36.

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PostThu Jan 12, 2012 5:01 am

Alan Ladd was 36 - but going on comatose in Gatsby

Seriously, is there a worse performance by him available than in Gatsby?
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PostThu Jan 12, 2012 9:21 am

3-D might be good for the scene where Gatsby is pulling out all of his shirts from the shelves. The Redford version used that scene for some nice lighting effects.....heck, that whole film was an extended essay in lights and shadows. Beautiful but sleep inducing.

The characters are all supposed to be fairly youthful- Nick Carraway turns 30 during the story. I'd suppose that Gatsby is a bit older, but no more than 10 years at the most.
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I can't wait for the upgrade of The Great Gatsby video game.
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Re: The Great Gatsby (2012)

PostSat Jan 14, 2012 8:46 pm

Michael O'Regan wrote:But, there will surely be no such moments in GATSBY??


I try to keep an open mind, too - but the director is Baz Luhrmann so all bets are off.

After suffering through about half of MOULIN ROUGE, and shutting it off while I still had a chance of keeping my dinner down, you'd have to tie me to a chair to get me to watch another one of his films...
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PostMon Jan 23, 2012 6:14 pm

The following comes from the New York Times via the Sydney Morning Herald, and elucidates some of the thinking behind the choice of 3D (and also makes brief mention of the silent version).

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http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/a-modern-classic-20120119-1q6zw.html

A modern classic
January 21, 2012

Baz Luhrmann breaks new ground with a grown-up drama in three dimensions, writes MICHAEL CIEPLY.
With Avatar, 3D conquered the world. With The Great Gatsby, it might finally grow up.


In a daring test of both himself and today's movie audience, in December director Baz Luhrmann is planning to release a star-packed and high-budget version of F. Scott Fitzgerald's much-admired novel of the jazz era.

In it, Leonardo DiCaprio plays Jay Gatsby, Carey Mulligan is Daisy Buchanan and Tobey Maguire is the narrator, Nick Carraway. In 3D.

Luhrmann's film will come three years after Avatar, a science fiction epic directed by James Cameron, became the biggest hit in movie history, with $2.8 billion in worldwide ticket sales. It proved that a new generation of 3D technology could immerse viewers in a credible fantasy world, the fictional planet Pandora.

But The Great Gatsby, its screenplay written by Luhrmann with his longtime collaborator Craig Pearce, will tell whether 3D can actually serve actors as they struggle through a complex story set squarely inside the natural world.

If The Great Gatsby succeeds, it could open the door to a new generation of sophisticated movie dramas that will match the spectacle value of the animations (Happy Feet Two), action films (Underworld: Awakening) and elaborate fables (Hugo) that now fill Hollywood's 3D release schedule.

It might also supply what has been missing in Academy Awards season - the heat of a film that breaks a barrier, such as Gone with the Wind, the first all-colour best picture, or The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, perhaps the first Oscar-winner to be anchored in its make-up and fantasy effects.

''The 'special effect' in this movie is seeing fine actors in the prime of their acting careers tearing each other apart,'' Luhrmann says.

He is using 3D not to create thrilling vistas or coming-at-you threats but rather to find a new intimacy in film. He refers particularly to a climactic scene in which Daisy's husband, Tom Buchanan, played by Joel Edgerton, confronts DiCaprio's Gatsby in a suite at The Plaza Hotel, all in three dimensions. ''How do you make it feel like you're inside the room?'' he asks.

Luhrmann's experiment will have to overcome the ambivalence of audiences yet to fully embrace 3D technology, especially in North America. The success of Avatar notwithstanding, 3D has fallen flat in high-profile efforts like Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides and Green Lantern. Studios have had to work hard to convince consumers there is a reason for it beyond charging higher prices.

As a result, American audiences have become increasingly picky about 3D, though moviegoers in other countries - where films can now make up to 70 per cent of the studios' profits - have been more enamoured of the technique.

Luhrmann says the idea of filming Gatsby occurred to him about a decade ago. He had finished Moulin Rouge! and was travelling from Asia to Europe on the Trans-Siberian Railway with ''some bottles of red Australian wine'', earphones and two recorded books. One was The Great Gatsby. After listening for a day or two, he began to wonder why Fitzgerald's novel, which he said he found ''exquisite'', had seemed to elude filmmakers.

Luhrmann had seen the 1974 version by the director Jack Clayton in which Robert Redford played the lead. Redford ''was the coolest thing in the world'' but the movie didn't really tell him ''who Gatsby was'', says Luhrmann.

In 1949 Alan Ladd played Gatsby, the socialite-ruffian, in a version directed by Elliott Nugent. Reviewing it in The New York Times, Bosley Crowther said its problems were a ''weak script'' and direction that seemed ''completely artificial and stiff''.
Luhrmann looked in vain for a print of the first cinematic Gatsby, a silent film directed by Herbert Brenon with Warner Baxter as Gatsby. It was released in 1926, just a year after the novel was first published.

So Luhrmann took it upon himself to unlock the movie potential from a small book whose many themes - including social climbing, Prohibition thuggery, faithless marriage and the self-conscious modernism of almost a century ago - are squeezed into a compressed yet strangely operatic plot. (There was also an opera , in 1999, which was commissioned by the Metropolitan Opera and composed by John Harbison.)

A lecture by Cameron, who was then working on Avatar, persuaded Luhrmann that 3D might help him find what had been missing in Gatsby. To examine the potential of actors

in 3D without the gimmickry of contemporary action sequences, Luhrmann turned to Alfred Hitchcock's 3D version of Dial M for Murder from 1954. It wasn't easy. He was able to locate only two projectors - one in New York, one in Burbank, California - that could still play the film.

The sensation of moving through it with Ray Milland, Grace Kelly and Robert Cummings sealed the deal - both for himself and for DiCaprio and the troupe, who also studied the Hitchcock film.

''It was like theatre,'' Luhrmann says.

The chief executive of the 3D technology provider RealD, Michael Lewis, says this is ''the final stage in the maturing of the medium''.

Other filmmakers are pushing forward with grown-up dramas in three dimensions but fewer than might be supposed, given the success of Avatar. Steven Soderbergh almost shot Contagion in 3D but pulled back when it proved difficult in tests to get close-ups and other critical shots.

Cameron's Titanic, a drama with considerably more action than Gatsby, will be re-released in 3D in April. RealD, which collaborated with the Royal Opera House on a 3D version of Carmen, will follow that up with Madama Butterfly, Lewis says.
''It's settled into a very, very good place,'' a Warner executive, Dan Fellman, says of adult interest in 3D.

He became sold on the potential of Luhrmann's film - which was shot in Sydney with a budget of roughly $125 million - after viewing scenes that took what he called an almost ''subliminal'' approach to the medium.

''You were immersed in the lifestyle of Gatsby,'' Fellman says. ''You were in his world, moving from room to room.''
Luhrmann acknowledges that some will fear he is violating a sacred text. After all, he is the director who in 1996 cast
DiCaprio and Claire Danes in an MTV-style adaptation of Shakespeare, titled Romeo + Juliet.

''Everyone has strong and, generally, opposing opinions when you mention 3D or The Great Gatsby or Baz Luhrmann,'' he says.

But Fitzgerald, he insists, would have approved. ''He was a modernist,'' he says. ''He was very influenced by the cinema.''

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Re: The Great Gatsby (2012)

PostWed May 23, 2012 9:46 am

The first trailer for the Great Gatsby has been released and, as a previous poster noted,
Baz Luhrmann (director of Moulin Rouge) never met a movie that his ham-hands didn't
like. The Great Gatsby meets MTV. Disclaimer: I will reserve further judgement until
I actually view it.

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Re: The Great Gatsby (2012)

PostWed May 23, 2012 10:02 am

It looks every bit as faithful to the source material's tone as Battleship.
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Re: The Great Gatsby (2012)

PostWed May 23, 2012 10:10 am

Mike Gebert wrote:It looks every bit as faithful to the source material's tone as Battleship.


YMMV, since I like Baz Luhrmann I'm not having any problems with the trailer, it looks interesting. I am wondering why people who don't like Baz Luhrmann would go see it.
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Re: The Great Gatsby (2012)

PostWed May 23, 2012 10:28 am

It looks interesting, but if that's a sample of the score then I'll pass.

The set design is very over the top- not that that's a bad thing, It looks more like a Hollywood musical of the 30's than anything resembling the 20's. Gatsby is a rich bootlegger but even the big ones like Capone didn't live on that kind of a scale. The 1974 movie got the physical look perfectly no matter what else is wrong with the movie, but if it was shot today on period locations the 20-something audience would just go "meh"
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