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PostMon Jun 18, 2012 7:59 pm

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EXCLUSIVE: 85-year-old Disney cartoon “Harem Scarem” unearthed by D23 and studio archives (VIDEO)
By Eric Pfeiffer, Yahoo! News | The Sideshow

Before Mickey Mouse made his seminal appearance in "Steamboat Willie," there was Oswald the Lucky Rabbit in "Harem Scarem."

As part of Disney's D23 fan celebration event, the Disney fan club and the Walt Disney archives has compiled the oldest known cartoon from the company's eponymous creator and has shared the video exclusively with Yahoo News.

"This is a prime example of the kind of thing that we're digging out of the vaults, going the extra mile to show the fans something new and unique," Disney archives director Becky Cline told Yahoo News.

"There's no new Walt Disney history to share unless we dig it out and discover it."

Oswald the Lucky Rabbit: The original Mickey Mouse

Walt Disney worked as an animator for Universal for several years before launching his own Disney empire. And one of the major successes he helped create for Universal was the character Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.

In total, 26 Oswald the Lucky Rabbit cartoons were produced for Universal in the 1920s and '30s with Disney and Ub Iwerks, who was Walt Disney's long-time collaborator. In fact, it was Universal's first-ever cartoon series. Though Oswald has his own unique characteristics, it's clear to any observant fan that he provided much of the basis for what would become Mickey Mouse, arguably the most iconic animated figure in history.

However, things began to sour between Disney and producer Charles Mintz when the Winkler Productions head wanted to lower production costs and cash in on the character's popularity.

"Walt was so creative and always trying to push the envelope. Not to compensate himself but to make the character better and to make the animation better," Cline said.

"Walt didn't understand that the contract he had signed gave Mintz ownership of the character. He was absolutely devastated. He wanted to do things his way."

After getting out of his contract with Universal, Disney embarked on a long, lonely train ride back home to California.

"On the way back on the train back to Hollywood, Walt was sending telegrams to his brother and came up with the idea of Mickey Mouse," Cline said. "He had a mouse he used to feed on his art board back in Kansas City. Mickey was kind of born in secret."

"It was a hard break for Walt. He truly was devastated," Cline said. "Walt was only 27-years-old when he lost the character."

Bringing Oswald Home, the "Al Michaels Trade"

For more than six decades, the Disney company would continue to flourish, but Walt Disney never lived to see Oswald come back into the fold. But in 2006, Disney CEO Bob Iger would change Disney history in one dramatic move.

Oswald the Lucky Rabbit (Walt Disney Co./AP)Disney was in the middle of negotiating the contract of sportscaster Al Michaels, who was interested in returning to NBC Sports. The negotiations were reportedly amicable on both sides, but Iger seized the opportunity to turn a peaceful parting into an unusual swap.

"Nobody ever thought it would happen," Cline said. "Bob popped up in the middle of negotiations and said, "We want Oswald back." By 2006, most people had completely forgotten about Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.

Cline says information and bios on Oswald were gathering dust while hidden away in "deep storage" in Disney's archives. So Universal readily agreed to the trade and Oswald came home.

"Walt would be so excited about having Oswald back," Cline said. "And for a Disney fan, to get the character back in the fold, is really exciting. To see something they've never seen before."

Disney threw a homecoming party for Oswald on the day he was "signed" and has slowly been integrating him back into the overall branding strategy.

He appeared in the Disney video game Epic Mickey and is rumored to be a leading character in the game's sequel after Disney promoted the character at this year's E3 gaming conference.

2012 is the 85th anniversary of the character. To celebrate the milestone, Disney wanted to do something special. That's when Cline and her team of archivists came across some of Walt Disney's original Oswald sketches. Not wanting to alter the original works, they embarked on a painstaking process to place the sketches in order, as is, to create a basic animating effect.

During a private D23 "Disney Fanniversary" event for fans in Burbank, San Francisco, New York and Boston, Disney unveiled the animation, titled, "Harem Scarem." And now it is being shown to the public for the first time.

"We wanted to do something unique and cool. We went into our animation files and discovered that we had a lot more art than we thought we did," Cline said.

"We scanned the original artwork. Scanned every single page, put them together in order. In the end, we created a piece, about 90 seconds of animation. You can see that the animation is adorable. No bells and whistles."

Disney is scheduling more D23 fan events for the rest of the year during which they will show off the Oswald content along with several other properties having anniversaries, including cartoon series "Duck Tales" and characters Goofy and Daisy Duck.

And on July 6, the "Treasures of the Walt Disney Archives" will open at the Ronald Reagan Library in Simi Valley, Calif., featuring more previously unseen Disney content, including Oswald drawings and artwork.

"Oswald is going to have even more fans after this," Cline said. "It's not a big stretch to see Mickey coming from Oswald. Oswald's a bit of an anarchist and a lothario."
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PostMon Jun 18, 2012 10:51 pm

As part of Disney's D23 fan celebration event, the Disney fan club and the Walt Disney archives has compiled the oldest known cartoon from the company's eponymous creator and has shared the video exclusively with Yahoo News.


It's not a previously lost cartoon, 'cause it never was a cartoon, and even if it were, it certainly wouldn't remotely be the oldest known cartoon from Disney. But it is kinda cool though.
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PostWed Jun 20, 2012 9:29 am

Yes, talk about your misleading article headings. Still, it'll be interesting to see what they've come up with.

If the Disney people really want to present the fans with something special, how about a restored, uncensored Fantasia that would also reinstate Deems Taylor's actual speaking voice? Or the original Three Little Pigs with the Wolf as Jewish peddler?
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PostThu Jun 21, 2012 7:18 pm

Another piece of history was altered in that Yahoo article. When was Disney employed by Universal before starting his own studio or whatever?
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PostThu Jun 21, 2012 8:41 pm

If the Disney people really want to present the fans with something special, how about a restored, uncensored Fantasia that would also reinstate Deems Taylor's actual speaking voice? Or the original Three Little Pigs with the Wolf as Jewish peddler?


First, the Deems Taylor original sound track is in too bad shape to be used with the full lenght Fantasia film. That's why the redubed it with Corey Burton (thougt, I think they should had put more efford in giving back the vintage "feeling" by working and altering the sound a bit more). I actually agree about the censoring on both Fantasia & The Three Little Pigs and also many other elements like Song of the South. They sould bring back the "Treasures Collections" or allow a company specialised in vintage films (Criterion, Kino, Image-Entertainment, Olive Fimls...) to release all the stuff that Disney failed to "merchandise", espeacially to collectors.
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PostThu Jun 21, 2012 11:03 pm

monks19 wrote:the Deems Taylor original sound track is in too bad shape to be used with the full lenght Fantasia film.

So the Disney people claim. I just find it odd that the Taylor soundtrack was found perfectly good enough to be used in the 1990s laserdisc and VHS editions. How badly could it have deteriorated in the few subsequent years? For anyone familiar with the original, the dubbed voice seems like a bad caricature, distracting and off-putting. If the Taylor voice track really has become unusable, I'd actually prefer the choice they made for the 80s reissue - the off-screen narrator.
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PostFri Jun 22, 2012 7:00 am

From my understanding, when Disney rereleased Fantasia in the mid-1940s, the Deems Taylor introductions were significantly cut down (this was the version released in the early 1990s). While the film footage for the uncut Taylor introductions survive, the uncut audio portion does not survive. Hence, when Disney decided to restore the 1940 roadshow cut of Fantasia, they had to dub the Taylor footage since a good deal of it no longer survived. I suppose they could have just dubbed the missing lines, but I guess for the sake of consistency they decided to redub all the footage. It's too bad that Disney didn't use seamless branching on the recent Fantasia blu ray to present both the mid-1940s version with the original Taylor recording and the reconstructed roadshow version.
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PostFri Jun 22, 2012 8:34 am

moviepas wrote:Another piece of history was altered in that Yahoo article. When was Disney employed by Universal before starting his own studio or whatever?

Wikipedia wrote:In 1927, due to cost and technical restrictions, Disney and his chief animator Ub Iwerks decided to end their work on the Alice Comedies series in search of new creative opportunities. Coincidentally, Universal Studios wanted to get into the cartoon business and needed a cartoon character of their own. So Disney's distributor Charles Mintz told Disney and Iwerks to create a new character they could sell to Universal. Wanting to make cartoons with an all animated look, Disney signed a contract with Universal Studios leading to the creation of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit and Universal's first cartoon series.
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PostFri Jun 22, 2012 9:43 am

Little Caesar, thanks for the clarification. I never noticed any new material in Taylor's introductions compared with the earlier versions.

Still, just gotta kvetch: They could have found somebody better to do the dubbing.
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PostFri Jun 22, 2012 11:59 am

Rollo Treadway wrote:Little Caesar, thanks for the clarification. I never noticed any new material in Taylor's introductions compared with the earlier versions.

Still, just gotta kvetch: They could have found somebody better to do the dubbing.


I agree with you about the dubbing. The man who did the dubbing, Corey Burton, has been shown to be a fairly good mimic of other people (Paul Frees for example). It's too bad that he couldn't channel his inner Deems Taylor. Well, at least we have Leopold instead of Irwin :lol:
For the fun of it, I timed both the "restored" and cut introductions to the Sorcerer's Apprentice segment. The full-length version runs about 55 seconds, and the cut version runs about 25 seconds.
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PostSun Jun 24, 2012 7:05 am

does anyone here play video games? i only ask cause with "Epic Mickey" for the "Wii" it's got "Oswald" in it & he's got a pretty big part in it. than when it's sequel comes out in either September or October of this year it'll be for the PS3, Xbox & the Wii
& in the 2nd game i forget it's title right now. you can play as Oswald!

& him & Mickey pretty much work together. which i think is great that this company that makes these games are now including Oswald! the graphics are great. i realize NOT everyone is a video game fan & that's fine. but for those who don't play that's why i gave the description. & i believe the game puts either Full Support behind these games or they make it i forget which. but they are included in the making of it that much i DO remember. i got my game out & yes they do make it.

my point is i think it's great that after 80 some years they are NOW paying attention to the character of Oswald a character i had really NEVER even heard of before. & according to "IMDB" which i dunno if it's telling the truth or not. but "Mickey Rooney" does a voice in the cartoon. if anyone knows the truth please let me know. i kept forgetting to buy the dvd set when it was out unfortunally.
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PostSun Jun 24, 2012 11:49 am

wildhoney66 wrote:my point is i think it's great that after 80 some years they are NOW paying attention to the character of Oswald a character i had really NEVER even heard of before.


Disney only recently aquired the rights to Oswald. The character had been owned by Lantz/Universal since the late 20's. When NBC/Universal started their Sunday Night Football, they wanted Al Michaels for the play-by-play man. Disney/ABC swapped his contract for the rights to Oswald.
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PostSun Jun 24, 2012 1:32 pm

Universal's two box sets from 2007-08 of all the Woody Woodpecker cartoons and various other Walter Lanz "cartunes" each includes five of the Lanz "Oswald" cartoons from the early-mid 1930s. Some years ago Disney released a DVD box set of "Oswald the Lucky Rabbit" with 13 of the silent Disney "Oswald" cartoons, several featurettes giving some background on Oswald and Disney, plus some of the "Alice" cartoons and a few early Micky Mouse and Silly Symphonies. That makes 23 Oswald cartoons available on DVD (none on Blu-ray so far).
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PostThu Jun 28, 2012 3:08 pm

So who got bad end of this deadl
Disney or NBC Universal LOL!

Sound like Ryan Leaf bust LOL! :mrgreen:

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