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To keep my little list in perspective, remember that it is for my amusement; I'm not, as Donald said, disseminating it, except to all of you here, and it is clear what many of you think about it! So even supposing that the list were twenty times as inaccurate as it might be now, and even further sup...

It's been a day since I look at this thread, and boy did I miss a bunch. Here's my two cents. I realize that there's a morbid fascination about how rich and/or famous people died, but we need to remember that these were real people. There was a lot of heartache and grief when almost every one of th...

drednm wrote:Did anyone mention Marguerite Marsh (1888-1925) pneumonia. Sister of Mae Marsh and Mildred Marsh, who has no death date on IMDb......

No, I'll add that one. The most complete version of the list is still on page 4 of this thread.

Mike Gebert wrote:Did we ever mention Marcel Perez, given that the facts of his fairly early death were basically established here?

Yes, he is in the list.

Cultural studies and empiricism don't mean a pile of beans in the world, it's just another way to differentiate yourself from everyone else and say we're a special breed. It's just like the license for the plumbers or union members, to say only people with this paperwork can work in the field. It d...

Golly gee!, what happened to this thread? it was great fun and informative. It's starting to look like a complex dime novel now. Let's get back to some names. I thought it was fun, too. I'm a frustrated new user of the site who won't take attacks lying down. What I think happens in MANY discussion ...

The things you quote like Wikipedia just show there's a debate among ignorant people on subjects, there is not a debate among learned people who read and research as to what the real facts are. Hey, I think I'm special too, and in certain contexts I absolutely do discount the opinions of the uninfo...

I should very much like to continue to contribute here - but NOT if it involves constant self-justification, and NOT if it proves to be draining . Apparently this exchange isn't draining enough for you, since you keep responding endlessly. Wikipedia (your basic "trashy gay website") entry on Murnau...

Nicely said, Michael. I too am backtracking to find where and how the exchanges got heated. One point worth making perhaps: Our new member WI Mark may not have seen the work of many of the individuals in his necrology list. But many of us have and in a sense we are invested in the celluloid friends...

I have read Hollywood Babylon and there is no mention that Garcia Stevenson was a 14 year old boy - something you state as a fact. You are careful to dress your other falsehoods in an airy, spurious "Some say" ,"Who knows?" offhandedness. This kind of stuff may be common ways of dialogue in the "gr...

Before I ask the seconds to leave the ring and everyone to once again leave their corners, could I just add my two cents worth here? Firstly, this fellow has said - quite a few times - that he has prepared this list as a bit of fun, an erstwhile titbit of trivia. He is not writing a thesis in prepa...

1.) But then, for example in Ince's case you still maintain that his death is disputed when no academic historian seems to think so these days. I cannot comment for the other disputable deaths – perhaps they really are so. But if, following your reading of post-modernism, we cannot establish a pers...

Grace wrote in her revised post: "... it looks like you just give space for rumours because they are there, and that you 'prioritize' rumours. I think we've understood Foucault very differently because I don't think this is what he meant at all." If a rumor had never had any currency, it would be of...

Harold Aherne wrote: Using anti-foundationalist thinkers to temper and consider the limits of human knowledge is one thing. Taking their views to their logical extremes leads to values that I find anti-scientific and anti-Enlightenment. Certain values and practices, I would argue, have had demonstr...

Hmm, I'm a big believer in 'reading against the grain' and think that documents should be studied within their context and not taken at face value, so I guess I could be said to have a 'post-modern' approach to history. However, the post-modern approach becomes problematic if it is taken to imply t...

Wow, now I've been told off several times in the thread and invited to "**** off" in a PM. Fun times! That indeed is unfortunate. I am oft-times absolutely amazed as to how carried away some Nitratevillians are. I believe it quite fun to read and respond to posts that are interesting and enlighteni...

There is nothing remotely "off the beam" about post-modernist skepticism concerning "factuality" and the possibility of establishing "facts." It is a hotly debated, yes, but quite mundane part of contemporary discourse. Surely many are familiar with Michel Foucault's insight that the "facts" are es...

WI Mark, You're way off the beam here. History is indeed facts and where certain facts are lacking, then there is a certain amount about hypothesis - that historians love to debate - to try to fill in for missing factual information. Mr. Anger has a reputation for making things up, the gaudier the ...

I don't quite understand your point here. I thought this thread was to compile a list of the causes of death of silent film directors and performers, not a list of what stories were told about their deaths. Anger's book has been over and over again proved to be lies that he manufactured to make mon...

I wouldn't cite Kenneth Anger as authority for anything. I wasn't citing him as an "authority," but he is a PRESENCE. Like it or not, Hollywood Babylon is a VERY famous book that has shaped many impressions of Hollywood, including of the silent era. Thus, it becomes part of the historical record in...

Jay Salsberg wrote:I don't know if he's been mentioned:

Al Wilson (1895-1932) Actor and stunt man killed in a plane crash.

Added him. Seven plane crashes and aviation accidents in the list now.

more additions: *THOMAS HOLDING(1878-1929) - cause: died of heart attack while in Broadway dressing room. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Holding" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0390366/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1" target="_blank" target="_blank"...

Has anyone mentioned F. W. Murnau - car crash? He was 42. That one was a great artistic loss - he might have made many more major films. The crash was caused by Murnau's 14-year-old Filipino chauffeur. Some sources say the chauffeur died, some say he survived. Kenneth Anger and others have mentione...

Wisconsin Mark: corrections, Lou Tellegen committed suicide in 1934 rather than 1952. Dan Leno wasn't involved in silent film unless I stand corrected. He died in 1904 and was a stage actor. I thought I had corrected the Tellegen error, but apparently not in all my materials. It's OK now. Dan Leno ...

Dick Hatton (1888-1931) Marcel Perez (1885-1929) Wayland Trask (1887-1918) Stellan Rye (1880-1914) Primo Cuttica (played 'Bidoni') 1876-1921 Dan Leno (1860-1904) Henry Fragson (1869-1913) Amleto Novelli (1885-1924) Alan (Albert) Roscoe (1886-1933) Ralph Yearsley (1896-1928) Duke Worne (1888-1933) W...

Daniel Eagan wrote:Possibly off topic, but wasn't there a vaudeville actor who was killed in a knife fight in a bar? Possibly played in a Vitaphone short. I'm thinking he worked with Joe Frisco but my knowledge of trivia is fading.

I've tried Googling this, haven't tracked it down yet. Ring a bell with anyone?

The latest and greatest: Directors Yevgeni Bauer (1865-1917) – Complications from broken leg; pneumonia. Paul Bern (1889-1932) – Suicide (gunshot). Mother was also a suicide (drowning). Francis Boggs (1870-1911) – Murder (gunshot). Killed by Selig studio employee, Frank Minnimatsu, who “went postal”...

WI Mark, Re the welcoming attitude - N'ville is made up of lots of personalities and lots of attitudes too. On the whole you received many helpful and friendly responses to your inquiry so the batting average on friendliness is pretty good. Let me suggest that you not be too quick to take offense a...

My Money is on Frederica! Can´t wait till next week when Wismark will start a list of editors who died in child birth, camera men who snuffed it during sex-related mishaps, child stars who fell down a well, stunt men who perished whilst attaching bate on a fishing hook, wardrobe ladies who succumbe...