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Post by Harold Aherne » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:53 pm

Chris Snowden wrote:Personally, I feel a little concerned when vintage film fans in their 20s pass up the festivals. I like to believe that these films will still be seen and enjoyed fifty years from now, and will always be out there (the way classical music is). But who knows.
I would absolutely LOVE to come to this Cinecon--The Dawn of a Tomorrow and Spuds are what I'd especially like to see--but the distance I am from LA as well as school and teaching obligations aren't going to make that possible this year. Actually, the later films don't bother me much; I'd probably take a pass on them but that frees up time to do other things and lessens the marathon film-viewing fatigue!

I'm sure if I tried to do one of these things, I'd be a candidate for some kind of sanitarium by the end of it. I have a colossal respect for the people who put these events on.

-Harold (who does know the difference between Suds and Spuds, although I still don't know if I have Wallace MacDonald and Raymond McKee untangled :D )

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Post by Frederica » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:54 pm

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Frederica wrote: But since you have already announced that you are not coming, perhaps it would be best to retire from the list.

Fred
Surely you aren't saying that anyone who doesn't go to Cinecon isn't welcome at Nitrateville?
Oops, sorry! I meant "retire from the list" as in the metaphor for jousting, not retire from N-Ville. I can see now how that could be misconstrued.

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Post by azjazzman » Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:05 pm

Bob Birchard wrote: The big difference between the San Francisco Silent Film Festival and Cinecon is that they have a paid staff who prepare all year and spend six months writing program notes (no criticism, just fact) all to screen eight titles. We are all unpaid, put Cinecon together in our spare time, and manage to screen something like forty films (including shorts). I rarely go to the SFSFF or to Columbus--not because thay are not great events--but because I've seen virtually everything they run. If I'm going to go north for a weekend I'd much rather go to Niles and see a bunch of stuff I haven't seen.
The SFSFF makes each one of the programs a special "event" (they have more like 11 programs throughout the weekend, but who's counting?). They have somebody like Leonard Maltin formally introduce the films - putting it in historical context for the audience - they frequently spring for elaborate musical accompianists like Mont Alto - and the bottom line is that the films play before sold out audiences in the 1400 seat Castro. They must be doing something right. They do sell admissions to individual films as well as Festival passes.

Even Mike Schlesinger called this year's event "the best festival ever!"

There is a buzz and cache about the SFSFF that Cinecon lost a long time ago, sad to say. They may show more familiar films, but somehow they have found an audience. The times I have attended, it was clear that there were many in the audience that were seeing these films for the first time, which contributed to the "excitement".

I enjoy Niles, too, but they draw about 50 people to a typical screening and SFSFF 1400. Does Cinecon want to be an upscale Niles?

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Post by Harlett O'Dowd » Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:26 pm

rudyfan wrote: Stan I will hold you to your promise of a screening of The Thieving Hand and relish seeing it on screen once again. I'll also cast a vote for more Lupino Lane, Sword Points was another highlight for me as I've mentioned before (thank you Patrick).
I would also like to see more Lupino Lane. And while it's a UK film and bit outside Cinecon scope - how rare is Lambeth Walk? It's rare to me and I'd love to see it!

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Post by Christopher Jacobs » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:54 pm

It's nice to see well-known classics in 35mm from time to time, but titles that are easily available through TCM, DVD, and countless regional screenings of the same old titles are absolutley no incentive whatsoever to travel any sort of distance to a film festival.

The fact that I may never have heard of a certain title or star or director is all the more reason to try to see it, especially if the film cannot be seen outside of an archive visit, and just as especially because I know it will be screened on 35mm film or a 16mm Kodascope or Show-at-Home or vintage original print, and not video projection. I can run 16mm in my basement (if I happen to have a print) and I can show hi-def video that's as good or better than most public video screenings. Why spend an extra grand to do something I can already do?

I wish I could get to Niles sometime. I almost always go to Cinecon (barring unforseen schedule conflicts) and have missed only two or three since I was in college some 35 years ago. I also usually go to the Syracuse Cinefest and the Massillon Cinesation, specifically because they show very few films I've seen before (and even when I have, it's usually been many years, or they're now in rare original or newly restored prints), and there are often many films I've never heard of. I've been to one Columbus Cinevent, the one that had more than half of its schedule devoted to titles I'd never seen, even though a few were "familiar" titles.

I'm one of those who may not find the overall lists of Cinecon or Cinefest titles "exciting," but it's the production dates, directors, and actors in the films that I pay more attention to, usually in that order because after all these years there are still numerous directors and actors I'm completely unfamiliar with. Massillon's schedule this year does seem more exciting to anticipate than Cinecon's, but I'm positive that I will make many unexpected discoveries at the Cinecon and there are several titles I'm greatly looking forward to (I'm also one of those who'd like to see most of the films on the schedule from the teens). I remember being tempted to pass up the railroad melodrama THE DIXIE FLYER, a low-budget independent with no names of note that sounded like a dreary programmer, yet it turned out to be one of the biggest highlights of the weekend. The Columbia B mystery-comedies and the Universal B-musicals are other entertaining delights that look forgettable on paper until you've seen them. Lupino Lane was just another vaguely familiar name until seeing his films made him an amazingly vibrant personality much of whose work is the equal of many Chaplin, Keaton, and Lloyd shorts. There are always new films to discover and looking exclusively for familiar titles and personalities is an incredibly narrow-minded and counterproductive excercise for anyone who pretends to appreciate "old movies."

When I started going to Cinecons at age 20, ALL the films were new to me, whether familiar titles I'd read about or obscurities that someone mentioned would be hard to see anyplace else. Going to the film conventions each year became like an extended and fascinating course in film history, revealing such now-favorite eras as "Pre-Code" and pre-1920 features, and listening to rabid enthusiasts rhapsodize about obscure mystery-thrillers or westerns or comedy series (and their famous-to-them stars). Watching only the accepted textbook canon of classics is like listening to top-40 public radio classical music (or "golden oldies" rock radio stations entrenched in nothing but the top 40 hits of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s). It's nice, but there is so much more that is so much more interesting that never gets any exposure. You might consider festivals like the Cinecon, Syracuse, and Massillon vs. those screenings that pack in viewers to Chaplin, Keaton, Lloyd, PHANTOM OF THE OPERA, NOSFERATU, etc., the difference between a university education and a trade school education that covers the basics in everything and specializes only in one specific interest.

There are still a few "warhorses" I've never gotten around to seeing, and a fair number of key titles by major stars that I've never seen even though they turn up on TCM regularly, and may even be sitting in a pile of unwatched tapes or DVDs. But at least I know I can get to them eventually. If they happen to turn up at a Cinecon or Cinefest or Cinesation among all the obscurities, all the better. (They're like the "bonus features" on a DVD or BluRay disc.) However, I, like I suspect most Cinecon regulars, sure wouldn't go out of my way to see a program consisting of majority of movies I've already seen or can easily find closer to home, on video, or even streaming on the internet (e.g. a former rarity like John Ford's recently restored BUCKING BROADWAY). If I lived in San Francisco, I'd probably try to get to some of the silent festival. If I lived in LA I might even patronize the Silent Movie Theatre (whose current schedules are nothing like the mouth-watering programs of rarities people used to take for granted in the 1960s and 70s). But I won't be spending the money to travel halfway across the country to see only films I've already seen and may even own prints of, even if they are screening in 35mm in a movie palace with a live score and a thousand appreciative first-time viewers.

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Post by LouieD » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:24 pm

Harlett O'Dowd wrote:I would also like to see more Lupino Lane. And while it's a UK film and bit outside Cinecon scope - how rare is Lambeth Walk? It's rare to me and I'd love to see it!
It was shown at Cinefest in 35mm a few years back.

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Post by azjazzman » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:00 pm

Christopher Jacobs wrote:
There are still a few "warhorses" I've never gotten around to seeing, and a fair number of key titles by major stars that I've never seen even though they turn up on TCM regularly, and may even be sitting in a pile of unwatched tapes or DVDs. But at least I know I can get to them eventually. If they happen to turn up at a Cinecon or Cinefest or Cinesation among all the obscurities, all the better. (They're like the "bonus features" on a DVD or BluRay disc.) However, I, like I suspect most Cinecon regulars, sure wouldn't go out of my way to see a program consisting of majority of movies I've already seen or can easily find closer to home, on video, or even streaming on the internet (e.g. a former rarity like John Ford's recently restored BUCKING BROADWAY). If I lived in San Francisco, I'd probably try to get to some of the silent festival. If I lived in LA I might even patronize the Silent Movie Theatre (whose current schedules are nothing like the mouth-watering programs of rarities people used to take for granted in the 1960s and 70s). But I won't be spending the money to travel halfway across the country to see only films I've already seen and may even own prints of, even if they are screening in 35mm in a movie palace with a live score and a thousand appreciative first-time viewers.

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Chris, I hear what you are saying and I certainly respect your opinion. We have both been going to Cinecons for a long time.

However, what is rare to one person isn't necessarily rare to someone else. Especially these days - After a quick perusal of the Cinecon 45 schedule I see that there are at least 6 titles I have on DVD and another one or two that I know have been shown on TCM.

OTOH, it's not like the SFSFF never shows anything but warhorses. They always have a program of rarities from the archives, and this year they ran a Chinese silent "Wild Roses" and "Lady Of The Pavements" which is not that common.

I think Cinecon does a pretty good job of balancing the schedule, but as Chris Snowden said, in recent years, some of the most memorable screenings for me at least, were things like "The Old Fashioned Way".

Every year I hear Bob say the pre-registrations are up, the bloc of rooms at the hotel are sold out - but when I go to the Egyptian it seems like the audiences gets smaller and smaller.

Except for "The Silencers", I'm sure. That one will no doubt be SRO.

Perhaps my perception is skewed by the fact that I have been going to Cinecon for 35 years now. I looked at Rob's program from the 1983 SF Cinecon and sighed. Those were the days. That list of films holds up pretty darn well, 26 years later. Even if I do have "Blessed Event" on home video. I have "Easy Living" on DVD, too.

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Post by Decotodd » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:23 pm

This year's schedule is full of unknowns for me (with the exception of EASY LIVING) and it is that sense of discovery that keeps me coming again and again. I trust Bob, Mike and Stan to select films that we fans are going to either enjoy -- or at least appreciate the opportunity to see, often for the first time since its original release. And it is often the b-pictures which turn out to be unexpected gems.

I live in LA, so the celebrity element doesn't really interest me since it isn't that unusual here to see them -- ran into Kathryn Grayson at Borders and Olivia DeHavilland at a 99 seat theater on a Sunday afternoon matinee last year. But I know there is an element that enjoys it, and if it makes $$ for the organization, I'm all for it.

Also, living in LA we have TONS of opportunities to see the warhorses at UCLA, New Beverly, Silent Movie and the like, so not that interested in seeing them at Cinecon unless harder to see. (e.g. Garbo picture would be a pass, but '26 BEAU GESTE -- yes!)

I would enjoy seeing q and a with more behind-the-scenes types (writers, editors, producers), but perhaps that is a minority opinion. And I echo the request for Miles Krueger's MARCH OF TIME reconstruction. Richard Barrios has a new edition of his book coming out, so perhaps next year he can do a presentation on early musicals?

Looking forward to next week! Can't wait for TRIAL MARRIAGE!
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Post by Stan16mm » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:42 pm

Trial Marriage is going to be a big hit this year. Another once lost Norman Kerry picture from the end of the silent era. We had a chance to prescreen it a few weeks ago and I loved it. Once upon a time it had a sync score but, for now, the track is MIA.

He may be the big name but Kerry's role has nothing on Jason Robards Sr. I was very impressed by him in this. And can we talk about the always beautiful Thelma Todd. What an absolute dish. She is one of the four main characters and she eats up the scenery.

I'm looking forward to seeing it with live musical accompaniment next week.

With all these rarities, I can't imagine how you can be a classic film fan, live in Los Angeles and not come to Cinecon even for a day.

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Post by Jim Harwood » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:53 pm

I think one of the hits of this year's Cinecon will be THANKS FOR EVERYTHING with Jack Haley, Jack Oakie, Adolphe Menjou and Tony Martin. I've been trying to get this one on the schedule for sometime and finally dood it.

It's got everything we love at Cinecon. A great cast, zillions of wonderful character actors and lots of laughs. The only thing it doesn't have is Shemp Howard, though I'm sure we'll survive.

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Post by misspickford9 » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:20 pm

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misspickford9 wrote: Some descriptions would help, I just looked on the website again and nothing really has a description. I get this takes time and energy but even the New Bev links to IMDB...which is still blah but better than nothing. Its hard to say the appeal is in the films when one has to go search what films these are and what they are about and who is in them to begin with (and yes I already read the 'we dont have paid staff ala San Francisco' reply but I would assume some volunteers could get on it).
Hala, if you don't want to come to Cinecon, that's fine. But since you are not coming and since you have never been to a Cinecon, I think your complaints are...shall we say "inappropriate." Bob and Mike and Stan and Stella, et.al., work pretty darned hard to put this on every year. It's a huge job, one I'm sure you will soon appreciate since you will be doing one yourself. It shouldn't be that difficult to look the announced films up, if that's what you need to make a decision on whether or not to come. But since you have already announced that you are not coming, perhaps it would be best to retire from the list.

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You know I just love when people point out to others when they should no longer discuss. Im not trying to be negative or a thorn in anyones side; I was just taking part in the discussion. I definitely appreciate the work that goes into something; and honestly its just my thoughts...not a complaint (a complaint would be: you suck go away ya know?)

BTW I know Im gonna read down these replies and yes Im simple; I guess it was a very early Pickford film I missed. Olive Thomas aside I dont usually seek out the 1910s stuff...a lot of it is very dry even when they meant well (Male and Female would be one). But yes yes I am simple so nah nah nah I know that :P . But that was my point with the 'put up some info' on the films...had I seen any names or years or such I would have spotted Pickford. Sorry I dont have her few hundred film titles memorized.

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Post by Bob Birchard » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:04 pm

Harold Aherne wrote:
-Harold (who does know the difference between Suds and Spuds, although I still don't know if I have Wallace MacDonald and Raymond McKee untangled :D )
Raymond McKe was married to Marguerite Cortot, Wllace MacDonald wasn't.

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Post by Bob Birchard » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:49 pm

azjazzman wrote:
Bob Birchard wrote: The big difference between the San Francisco Silent Film Festival and Cinecon is that they have a paid staff who prepare all year and spend six months writing program notes (no criticism, just fact) all to screen eight titles. We are all unpaid, put Cinecon together in our spare time, and manage to screen something like forty films (including shorts). I rarely go to the SFSFF or to Columbus--not because thay are not great events--but because I've seen virtually everything they run. If I'm going to go north for a weekend I'd much rather go to Niles and see a bunch of stuff I haven't seen.
The SFSFF makes each one of the programs a special "event" (they have more like 11 programs throughout the weekend, but who's counting?). They have somebody like Leonard Maltin formally introduce the films - putting it in historical context for the audience - they frequently spring for elaborate musical accompianists like Mont Alto - and the bottom line is that the films play before sold out audiences in the 1400 seat Castro. They must be doing something right. They do sell admissions to individual films as well as Festival passes.

Even Mike Schlesinger called this year's event "the best festival ever!"

There is a buzz and cache about the SFSFF that Cinecon lost a long time ago, sad to say. They may show more familiar films, but somehow they have found an audience. The times I have attended, it was clear that there were many in the audience that were seeing these films for the first time, which contributed to the "excitement".

I enjoy Niles, too, but they draw about 50 people to a typical screening and SFSFF 1400. Does Cinecon want to be an upscale Niles?
I think you missed my point. The SFSFF has a paid staff that can work full time on the festival and raise donations, and they have been very successful

The Cinecon committee all have day jobs doing other things. We could, as the founders of the SFSFF did, go into hybernation for the better part of ten years while the funds are raised to pay for rather than promote everything.

They charge $120 to $140 (depending on whether you're a member) for 11 films. We charge $100 for 30 features plus 10 shorts.

I do not disagree that the broader audience has not seen most of the films that SFSFF shows, but Cinecon is something different. It is geared to showing rare films, films that are not likely to be screened elsewhere, and I have to say that we have a pretty good track record in turning up films that get re-booked by others who saw them first at Cinecon.

They can charge individual admissions, we don't. There are business and historical reasons for this, but as a practical point we would have to clear the theater between every film, and it would cut down the number of possible screenings.

We realize that Cinecon is not for everybody. The two most common comments we hear are 1) we've never heard of any of the films you're running; and 2) we can't sit there all day.

But those who have experienced Cinecon, generally speaking, look forward to it each year. We have attendees who have been coming for 40 years--but we also have attendees who have been coming for five years, or two years. And there are new folks who have signed up this year who have not attended before.

I spoke to one relatively recent convert last year. For years he came only to the dealer's room. One year he decided to buy a day pass, the next year he attended for two days, and since then he's come for the whole thing. This is not untypical.

As for students and twenty-year-olds it is a balancing act. In the first place, school starts right around Labor Day for students at USC, it doesn't start until October for students at UCLA. Cinecon conflicts with shcols across the country for the same reasons, mking it less likely students will attend.

I have often saud that one would never go broke running a revival house if one ran King Kong and Citizen Kane every week. Hala is a good example. She's a relative nebie who wants to see Valentino, Harold Lloyd, Charlie Chaplin, et. al. We've all been there--but Cinecon is intended for the cinematically more adventurous--those who are willing to take a chance on an unknown title and maybe make some new discoveries. We can, and do run warhorses to attract new blood. In recent years Douglas Fairbanks in Robin Hood, The Cat and the Canary, The Eagle, The Iron Horse, The Patent Leather Kid, Speedy, and a number of others come to mind. This year's warhorse happens to be a talkie, but Easy Living is on the schedule as a bona fide classic that can help newbies "catch up" with the rest of us who've spent our lives in the dark. By the same token we have attendees who want nothing but rareties. There are those who come just to see one or two titles, as they've seen everything else we're running.

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Post by Harlett O'Dowd » Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:43 pm

Jim Harwood wrote:I think one of the hits of this year's Cinecon will be THANKS FOR EVERYTHING with Jack Haley, Jack Oakie, Adolphe Menjou and Tony Martin.
Tony Martin??????

The SOB is *still* performing!

Has he ever been invited as a guest to Cinecon? He would be perfect!

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Post by Jim Harwood » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:31 pm

Harlett O'Dowd wrote:
Jim Harwood wrote:I think one of the hits of this year's Cinecon will be THANKS FOR EVERYTHING with Jack Haley, Jack Oakie, Adolphe Menjou and Tony Martin.
Tony Martin??????

The SOB is *still* performing!

Has he ever been invited as a guest to Cinecon? He would be perfect!
He has been asked numerous times, including this year, and he has turned us down.

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Post by Harlett O'Dowd » Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:02 pm

Jim Harwood wrote:
Harlett O'Dowd wrote:
Jim Harwood wrote:I think one of the hits of this year's Cinecon will be THANKS FOR EVERYTHING with Jack Haley, Jack Oakie, Adolphe Menjou and Tony Martin.
Tony Martin??????

The SOB is *still* performing!

Has he ever been invited as a guest to Cinecon? He would be perfect!
He has been asked numerous times, including this year, and he has turned us down.
as Donna noted, y'all need to expand your list of celebrity wranglers.

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Post by precode » Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:24 pm

Harlett O'Dowd wrote:
Jim Harwood wrote:
Harlett O'Dowd wrote: Tony Martin??????

The SOB is *still* performing!

Has he ever been invited as a guest to Cinecon? He would be perfect!
He has been asked numerous times, including this year, and he has turned us down.
as Donna noted, y'all need to expand your list of celebrity wranglers.
The request went through his daughter-in-law, who's a good friend of mine. You can't get much closer than that.

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Post by silentstar5 » Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:49 pm

I watched Easy Living last night because I cannot fit it into my schedule during Cinecon. It stars Jean Arthur, Edward Arnold and Ray Milland. It was great. A lot of fun. I think it will get a great response from the Cinecon audience. If you have not seen it before it should give your laugh muscles a very good workout. This "warhorse" is truly worth the ride.

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Post by Harlett O'Dowd » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:38 am

precode wrote: The request went through his daughter-in-law, who's a good friend of mine. You can't get much closer than that.

Mike S.
Sorry, Mike. I think I suggested Martin to you a year or two ago, and I should have remembered the story.

In any case, I hope he has been invited to attend the screening. Maybe if he sees that, as geeks, we're a fairly harmless lot, he might consent to being a guest next year.

Will miss everyone this weekend.

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Post by Jack Theakston » Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:41 pm

Doesn't he live in New York? At almost 98, I wouldn't want to travel around everywhere, either.
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Post by Stan16mm » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:51 pm

According to our celebrity "wrangler", Tony Martin was unable to attend last year or this year. Interesting response since after his wife died, he went ot and did some gigs.

We've tried to get him for several years but we can only go by what we're told. The simple truth in some cases is that some people don't want to be honored.

I visited with Denise Darcel last week and enjoyed her stories very much. She lives in a lovely house and served champagne and french cheeses. I think that she could be a most interesting celebrity guest.

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Post by ShockDoc » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:15 am

This is my first post, and after scanning the previous pages, didnt see anything relating to the fact that the Cinecon website stated the dealer rooms were $5 a day. When we got there, the very nice, but apparently clueless ladies at the admission table wanted $10 each. When I reminded them the website stated the admission as $5, they responded, "Our boss told us to charge $10". Great. DOUBLE. Did no one else even notice this?
My friend and I both coughed up the extra money because we'd come a long way, but were not happy about it.
I cant imagine going to a movie advertised for $10, then being told, 'oh, it's double the price now." Ridiculous. This is the reason we're paying more for everything these days- no one is willing to complain about it.
It appears some here arent happy w/ soda and pizza prices, but either they werent aware of the Cinecon slight, or just didnt care. Either way, NOT a good thing.

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Post by Stan16mm » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:31 am

With apologies to the first time poster who was charged 10.00. As I am not the one who handles the updates on the Cinecon website, I do know that there was an individual who had the same thing happen to him. When the situation was explained to to the President of Cinecon at an afternoon meeting, the person who paid 10.00 (which is the price for admission to the dealers rooms) but saw it as 5.00 on the website, was refunded the 5.00 difference.

Make no mistake, the price for admission to the dealers rooms is 10.00. The error on the website should have been corrected and will be for next year's show.

Possibly the reason you haven't seen anyone else speak about it in previous posts is that most people go to Cinecon for the films and the dealers rooms are free admission for our screening attendees.

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Post by Jack Theakston » Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:34 pm

I was able to attend during Saturday this year and had a great time, but because of my circumstances, something struck me that might be a consideration for semi-local guests of Cinecon: I recently moved to Palmdale, and currently have no mode of transportation other than buses and trains. By next year, I'll have a new car of course, but because of the limited schedules (especially out my way) I had to miss much of the festival.

Perhaps we can set something up somewhere where locals can volunteer/connect for carpooling? I'd be more than happy to grab a few people on the way down. Likewise, I'm sure there are people "out there" who would be willing to do the same, and because of this, possibly more people that would be willing to spend the whole weekend at Cinecon rather than just one day.
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Post by ShockDoc » Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:35 pm

Well, I tried to thank Stan and more, but my post was automatically referred to a moderator because of a single word. Dont know what that could be, it wasnt remotely profane or angry.
Let's see if this works- what I tried to say was I know of several people who paid the inflated price, and they went on Sat and Sun. so, even though numerous people complained, the higher price continued.
Great way to do business.
If I do receive a refund, perhaps I'll try the same approach they did and reply, "Nope, sorry! The refund price has now doubled! See how they like it. lol.

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Post by Mike Gebert » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:26 pm

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Post by ShockDoc » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:43 pm

So, a couple of days ago it had been a week since I contacted Mr. Birchard, and no refund had been received as yet. Not that I expected one that soon, but did not want him to conveniently forget.
I sent a second email patiently reminding him, and what I got back was a very terse, "Keep your shirt on!" How professional.
This time I responded not as nicely that I didnt like his attitude. He fired back that he'd seen my online 'rants'. Hardly a rant, just trying to get a little friggin' justice . He also told me to 'put a cork in it'. If anyone doesnt believe me I'll forward them the email.
So, it appears they'll be sending a refund next week. We'll see.

To whomever may be reading this, Im not a troublemaker. I have no desire to 'bug' anyone. I just find it unconcionable that someone would double the admission price. If it was from $5 to $7.50 or even $8 I wouldn't complain. But in a recession, doubling (!) the admission price without prior notice (and taking their website mistake into consideration) and then griping because people want a partial refund...well, that's just plain wrong. Okay, enough said...

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Post by ShockDoc » Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:27 pm

Okay, Im concluding this episode, as I did receive my refund check today. Thanks, Cinecon, and here's hoping next year's festivities will be a little less troublesome for all concerned.

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Post by Stan16mm » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:42 am

ShockDoc wrote:Okay, Im concluding this episode, as I did receive my refund check today. Thanks, Cinecon, and here's hoping next year's festivities will be a little less troublesome for all concerned.
For what it's worth, as treasurer, I had to sign the check to you and did so at our first scheduled post Cinecon meeting. As nobody gets paid for our work at Cinecon, I could not make a special trip to meet Bob for this one check because we don't live next door to each other. Unless I am completely wrong, you received a full refund so in the end result, you got in for free.

As for the festivities being "troublesome", this year's Cinecon was the least troublesome I've ever been involved with. True, the website was incorrect on the dealers room admission and you were fully reimbursed. As for Bob being impatient with you, I'd say you both had a share in that. You didn't wait too long for your check to come. Bob and I discussed it beforehand and it was being taken care of.

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