Bandwidth for Online Piracy Grows 160% in 2 Years

[Jim Reid]

I have one that went bad already and I see no surface damage. It can't be more than two years old and it wouldn't play correctly a year ago on any of my three machines (all different brands). I stopped buying MOD disks after that. The same thing happened to one of my pressed disks (Footlight Parade), I asked for a replacement from WHV which didn't even garner a response, let alone a replacement.

Wow! You gave up after one bad disc? You should give it a try. I had one that I didn't watch for over a year. When I did, it wouldn't play. I sent a note to WA and they sent me a replacement, no questions asked.

The way it worked with pressed discs is you go to the retailer, not WHV.

[Doug Sulpy]

Plus, you've complained about the same thing since the WA started and it's tiresome.

Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to bore you. Won't happen again.

[Danny Burk]

I think your complaints are somewhat valid, although in my opinion you are overdoing the "inferior product" deal. I don't find the discs inferior at all. Other than the ones I have noted, they have all played just fine. Warner would never have made the investment in pressing these discs nor should they have. It would have been bad business and there's no way we would have had this many titles released. Plus, you've complained about the same thing since the WA started and it's tiresome.

I have one that went bad already and I see no surface damage. It can't be more than two years old and it wouldn't play correctly a year ago on any of my three machines (all different brands). I stopped buying MOD disks after that. The same thing happened to one of my pressed disks (Footlight Parade), I asked for a replacement from WHV which didn't even garner a response, let alone a replacement.

You might contact Warner Archive again - even give it a try on the FB page. They've been very responsive on the latter. WA has said that they'll replace an MOD disc that goes bad at any time (not just within a certain time). Now don't ask where I saw this - it may have been on the FB page, or perhaps during one of their chats - but folks at HTF have reported that WA has made good on this guarantee for them. Since then, I've softened my stance and have purchased some MOD titles myself. So far no problems, although I only buy them during their 5/$50 sales.

[boblipton]

I think your complaints are somewhat valid, although in my opinion you are overdoing the "inferior product" deal. I don't find the discs inferior at all. Other than the ones I have noted, they have all played just fine. Warner would never have made the investment in pressing these discs nor should they have. It would have been bad business and there's no way we would have had this many titles released. Plus, you've complained about the same thing since the WA started and it's tiresome.

I have one that went bad already and I see no surface damage. It can't be more than two years old and it wouldn't play correctly a year ago on any of my three machines (all different brands). I stopped buying MOD disks after that. The same thing happened to one of my pressed disks (Footlight Parade), I asked for a replacement from WHV which didn't even garner a response, let alone a replacement.

Sorry to hear it. I suspect that either the original manufacture was not up to snuff (cf "Laser Disc Rot") or perhaps the process of burning the dvd-r is an inherently destructive one. I recall when I had a mimeograph with a stencil burner, there was a constant stink of burning plastic throughout, and when the stylus burned out, I would lose the entire stencil -- expensive in those days at $12 for a quire.

Then the handle of my Gestetner snapped right off. Metal fatigue on a sixty-year-old machine. So I went back to cutting the Dick stencils on my 1912 Royal Upright, even though it popped out the centers of the Os....

[silentmovies742]

Interesting, in the same post where you speak about mindlessly following the herd, you seem to take the position that, as far as the Warner Archive is concerned, anyone who "complains" about the inferior media should just shut up, be thankful we're "given" anything, and hand over our money.

Who are you talking to now?

[mndean]

The way it worked with pressed discs is you go to the retailer, not WHV.

I couldn't. Borders was done and gone by the time I found it unplayable. Recorded FP off TCM and use that instead.

As for the MOD, if I have another go bad, I'll ask for both replacements but right now it's not worth the bother. Still won't buy any more at this time. I wouldn't be quite so peeved if it wasn't that of the many cheapie burned PD titles I bought, none are unplayable on all hardware like the Warner MOD.

[silentmovies742]

Mine all play fine on three different computers, as well as both dvd players, so it's certainly not a case that they don't play on any computing equipment.

[mndean]

Mine all play fine on three different computers, as well as both dvd players, so it's certainly not a case that they don't play on any computing equipment.

I didn't say that. I said that one example I paid good money for became unplayable on all players. I even tried playing it on my computer just now (a fourth player), which I had never done before. It won't play. It's just corrupted.

I am knowingly being unfair, but it is my right as WHV has my money and I have a coaster, also I have to go through some effort to get it remedied. I don't have time to do it now. If they can't (or couldn't since this an old disk now) source good disks to burn (something I can do on my own without corporate resources for heaven's sake), then my position is their product is not good enough for me to spend more money on it than it costs me to record a film off TCM. The MOD disks weren't cheap when they came out, and the discount I got for buying a number of them was meager.

Done now. I won't be revisiting this thread, it's upset me enough today.

[moglia]

Mine all play fine on three different computers, as well as both dvd players, so it's certainly not a case that they don't play on any computing equipment.

With -R media there are no absolutes. Generalizations for that type of media are meaningless just way too many factors.. Be satisfied you have no issue but by no means assume it will always be that way for both yourself and others.

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P.S. - It now appears my first post to this topic was pretty near on the money,"I told you so" probably now applies....

Not looking to make waves but topics such as this one seriously fall into the catagory of "looking for trouble". Does a political subject such as this even belong in the "Talkie news" sub forum? Look at some of the posts already including the one right above this one the content of which is certain to be ire inspiring.

To the original poster please request the whole topic be deleted, this forum really does not need something that will certainly disturb the peace before long. Or at the very least have it moved to another sub-forum.

[Mike Gebert]

I am knowingly being unfair, but it is my right as WHV has my money and I have a coaster, also I have to go through some effort to get it remedied. I don't have time to do it now.

I bought a new release blu-ray at Target a while back on sale-- say $19.99-- and when I got around to playing it, it was defective. I tried returning it or exchanging it but it was already no longer stocked by Target. I could contact the manufacturer but, you know, only so many hours in the day.

So. I ate one $19.99 disc. Kind of sucks. Meanwhile, movies I used to pay $40 to $70 for on laserdisc I get for $9.99 all the time. Life kind of evens out that way.

Anybody going to Cinesation?

[earlytalkie]

Mine all play fine on three different computers, as well as both dvd players, so it's certainly not a case that they don't play on any computing equipment.

With -R media there are no absolutes. Generalizations for that type of media are meaningless just way too many factors.. Be satisfied you have no issue but by no means assume it will always be that way for both yourself and others.

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P.S. - It now appears my first post to this topic was pretty near on the money,"I told you so" probably now applies....

Not looking to make waves but topics such as this one seriously fall into the catagory of "looking for trouble". Does a political subject such as this even belong in the "Talkie news" sub forum? Look at some of the posts already including the one right above this one the content of which is certain to be ire inspiring.

To the original poster please request the whole topic be deleted, this forum really does not need something that will certainly disturb the peace before long. Or at the very least have it moved to another sub-forum.

You were right on the money with this. This topic has caused nothing but trouble and pretty much bad feelings all-around. It has brought out the worst in many of us. Condescencion, self-rightious opinions, and insults.

[silentmovies742]

I am knowingly being unfair, but it is my right as WHV has my money and I have a coaster, also I have to go through some effort to get it remedied. I don't have time to do it now.

I bought a new release blu-ray at Target a while back on sale-- say $19.99-- and when I got around to playing it, it was defective. I tried returning it or exchanging it but it was already no longer stocked by Target. I could contact the manufacturer but, you know, only so many hours in the day.

So. I ate one $19.99 disc. Kind of sucks. Meanwhile, movies I used to pay $40 to $70 for on laserdisc I get for $9.99 all the time. Life kind of evens out that way.

Anybody going to Cinesation?

Surely by law the shop/retailer has to give you a refund if the item was defective, whether they still stock it or not?!

[earlytalkie]

Most retailers give you a 30-day window to return a defective disc. I guess they figure you will have watched it by then. I have tried to play some blu-ray discs which would not play due to newer anti-copy media being introduced into the disc. Sometimes, if you update your player, it will play.

[Mike Gebert]

Surely by law the shop/retailer has to give you a refund if the item was defective, whether they still stock it or not?!

I didn't have a receipt by then, though, and they had no way to exchange it, which is what I really wanted. I don't blame them for being unwilling to take a months-old blu-ray on my word that it didn't work and I had paid X for it.

I will say it's interesting, the idea that we should steer clear of topics that might cause bad feelings here. You wouldn't believe some of the harmless things that have blown up around here!

[earlytalkie]

When a person gets upset by the tone of the questions and answers on a seemingly harmless topic, it negates the purpose of the board, which is to have a productive and intelligent conversation of said topic. Name calling, (of which I was guilty) wild accusations (someone else) and belittling one's opinion one way or the other about DVD-Rs (which has what to do with the original topic?) is non-productive and ultimatley adds nothing to what could have been an intelligent discussion.

[moglia]

I will say it's interesting, the idea that we should steer clear of topics that might cause bad feelings here. You wouldn't believe some of the harmless things that have blown up around here!

Hi Mike,

My feeling as stated already is there subjects which are very political and might be better served in another sub-forum. As for the topic of this thread besides the fact it's no more related to talkie news than silent is that nothing on these type of internet forum inspires more holier than thou BS or more venom from those who would other wise get along somewhat well. In effect a topic like this for me falls into the catagory of purposely looking for trouble and when you do you will usually find it.

All above of course is only my two cents.