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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:31 pm

Well, he ain't gettin' a masthead.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein

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Even if he drops dead?

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

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Mike Gebert wrote:Well, he ain't gettin' a masthead.
I think getting a masthead is what got him in trouble.

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My initial impulse was to post the Weinstein link in the Hefner thread-
one paid to restore silents, the other, to secure silence.

When did you meet YOUR Harvey Weinstein?” Twitter Thread
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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by George O'Brien » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:50 pm

Funny that Meryl Streep considers Harvey a great guy. In her acceptance speech for best actress at the Golden Globes in 2012, she laughed, "Thank God, Harvey Weinstein, Old Testament version", and the camera cut to show him grinning delightedly.

I'm sure his ungodly behavior was well known to her.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein

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It was pretty well known that Harvey was/is a skeevy creep. The only real surprise is that there are only 8 settlements.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by wich2 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:12 am

As an Aging American Man, I'm glad to see this sub-breed of that ilk "get its comeuppance," and sometimes, "three times filled, and running over."

Cosby, O'Reilly, Ailes, at al. Even Clinton, in the sense that he helped sew the seeds (as it were...) of the Clinton's later lives. And Hefner, who died deaf from the Viagra, and with very mixed press (including rumors of worse revelations to come.)

I hold no truck with this manner of jerk behavior. It gives the human race a bad name.

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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:04 am

Well, as an Aging American Man, I very much resent the claim that if you grew up in the 60s or 70s, you had no idea this stuff was wrong.

Calling your secretary "hon," that you might not know. Holding meetings with 20-year-old actresses in the nude, I think we all knew what that was about just fine.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein

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Mike Gebert wrote:Well, as an Aging American Man, I very much resent the claim that if you grew up in the 60s or 70s, you had no idea this stuff was wrong.

Calling your secretary "hon," that you might not know. Holding meetings with 20-year-old actresses in the nude, I think we all knew what that was about just fine.

Thank you, Mike. I agree wholeheartedly and am thankful for the number of service people who wear name tags. Even if I sometimes slip and call young male service personnel "kid" and female ones "dear".

Before someone brings up the old wheeze about power corrupting, let me note that all too frequently it only gives the already corrupt the opportunity to indulge the corruption without fear of retribution.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by wich2 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:59 pm

Mike and Bob -

- yes indeed, on both of your main points.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by Jim Roots » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:29 pm

Nicely put, Bob.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by wich2 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:27 pm

As a matter of fact, it's even MORE of a b.s. answer than Weinstein thought he was giving...

The man is only six years older than me, so he was eight when the Sixties began. Meaning that he actually came of age (like most of us here) in a time when, yes, the arena of sex was loosening up - but at the same time, the concept of sexual equality was growing, too. (In other words: there was more sex, but there was also a commensurate increase of understanding of the woman's right to say, "no.")

So he can't really claim (lame as it is) the "Mad Men Defense" of those who came up in the Forties and Fifties.

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Unread post by Donald Binks » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:55 pm

I come from a different age altogether - where one aspired to become a gentleman. Women were put on pedestals where the rule "Look but don't touch" applied. Of course my attitudes have now become at best old-fashioned and unfortunately go against the grain with militant feminists who don't hold with men giving up their seats to women on trams or opening doors for them - all of that sort of rot.

Now that I am in my twilight years, I forget most of what I am supposed to remember and even if I could remember, I would most likely find that what is supposed to happen, can't.

I therefore cannot understand these sewers of men who are unable to control their base instincts. One may possess a great deal as far as money and material wealth is concerned, but it is nothing at all if one cannot also be a gentleman.
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Donald Binks wrote:I come from a different age altogether - where one aspired to become a gentleman. Women were put on pedestals where the rule "Look but don't touch" applied. Of course my attitudes have now become at best old-fashioned and unfortunately go against the grain with militant feminists who don't hold with men giving up their seats to women on trams or opening doors for them - all of that sort of rot.

Now that I am in my twilight years, I forget most of what I am supposed to remember and even if I could remember, I would most likely find that what is supposed to happen, can't.

I therefore cannot understand these sewers of men who are unable to control their base instincts. One may possess a great deal as far as money and material wealth is concerned, but it is nothing at all if one cannot also be a gentleman.
If I were to write an answer to all that preceded this, I would have said exactly the same thing. My father drilled into me the thought of 'being a gentleman at all times', and I am so grateful. Reading about exploitative gobs like this pig is nauseous. But, too, it seems that this kind of individual is all the news of today can find to write about. This isn't news; it's exploitation in itself, and I for one am sick to death of it.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

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Whatever phrase you have for this -

http://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/ ... spartandhp" target="_blank

- "Successful Human Being" is not it.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

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As a cinema buff, Hefner may or may not have been aware his later years had echoes of Charles Foster Kane's.

With the Hef character's costume of bathrobe( I can't write "dressingown" - makes him sound like Noel Coward), pipe, and chess or backgammon board nearby, he seems like such a period piece. Like the naughty men in "The Moon Is Blue".

And how perfectly in keeping is Hef's holding a screening for his sychophants of yesteryear's naughtiness - "A Shot In The Dark", wherein Peter Sellers and Elke go sleuthing naked in a nudist camp, and by a series of improbable events wind up naked in Paris, amid a growing crowd, she shrieking in humiliation.
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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:34 pm

If, as the National Enquirer calls it, a celebrity's "SAD FINAL DAYS" are to be the measure of their life, we're not going to have many left.

An Erin Fleming does not a Groucho Marx make.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein

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Mike Gebert wrote:If, as the National Enquirer calls it, a celebrity's "SAD FINAL DAYS" are to be the measure of their life, we're not going to have many left.

An Erin Fleming does not a Groucho Marx make.
So, Mike, you admit to reading the National Enquirer?

Tsk.

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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:56 pm

I go to the grocery store, yes.
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Mike Gebert wrote:I go to the grocery store, yes.
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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:06 am

I come from a different age altogether - where one aspired to become a gentleman.
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Unread post by Brooksie » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:26 pm

Or if you prefer, Professor Elemental, who performed one of the most fun live shows I've ever attended when he was in my neck of the woods.


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Re: Harvey Weinstein

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Mike Gebert wrote:
I come from a different age altogether - where one aspired to become a gentleman.
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Had a look at this little fillum and thought, "Gad! I don't remember being in it?" Top hole though that the fellah was on about Gin, marvelous elixer....
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Unread post by Donald Binks » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:57 pm

Brooksie wrote:Or if you prefer, Professor Elemental, who performed one of the most fun live shows I've ever attended when he was in my neck of the woods.
Is somebody trying to tell me something? :D (I shall have to do a video of my own, one day)
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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by Donald Binks » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:48 pm

I see that he has now been sacked by the board of the company he founded.

Whilst I don't condone his alleged actions - and let us realise that he is in law innocent until proven guilty - is that he has been tried and found guilty by the media. I would have preferred him to have stood his trial in a court of law.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by Bob Furem » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:16 pm

I believe there was a time when a thread of this sort would have been considered 'off-topic' on Nitrateville. I, for one, am pleased that social issues are up for discussion on this esteemed board. The personal is political and the political personal and all that sort of rot...Of course, we are all beyond reproach!

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Unread post by boblipton » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:30 pm

Bob, I don't think any of us offer ourselves as beyond reproach; I certainly don't. However, I don't offer myself as a model of behavior and my ideals are aspirational. Weinstein's public championing of certain modern ideals is at variance with his behavior ... as opposed to Hugh Hefner's. There seem to be few universally recognized sins these days except for hypocrisy, which is a sad state of affairs.

Yes, it is definitely pushing the borders of what we discuss here in Nitrateville., Perhaps the wisest response, then, as old-fashioned ladies and gentlemen -- if only aspirationally so -- is to do nothing further. Dictum sapienti sat est.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by Bob Furem » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:38 pm

boblipton wrote:Bob, I don't think any of us offer ourselves as beyond reproach; I certainly don't. However, I don't offer myself as a model of behavior and my ideals are aspirational. Weinstein's public championing of certain modern ideals is at variance with his behavior ... as opposed to Hugh Hefner's. There seem to be few universally recognized sins these days except for hypocrisy, which is a sad state of affairs.

Yes, it is definitely pushing the borders of what we discuss here in Nitrateville., Perhaps the wisest response, then, as old-fashioned ladies and gentlemen -- if only aspirationally so -- is to so nothing further. Dictum sapienti sat est.

Bob
The beyond reproach quip (?) was just a gag. Me, I am all for it. After Drumpf was elected, I made a post on the Marx Brothers Council of Facebook, which is British in origin, apologizing to the world. My post was deleted as too political! I got responses along the lines of "well, how do we know Groucho would have disliked him!!!!!" Has that person ever actually watched a Marx Brothers film. I suppose now I am getting off topic of the off topic. Anyway, I think there is a place for this type of thing as long as it doesn't get in the way of our actual purpose as lovers of an arcane artform and no member is personally insulted.

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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:17 pm

My post was deleted as too political!
As it would be here. The silent film backer Hefner is a relevant subject here, so there's some (limited) room for approving or disapproving of him, though I don't find either all that informative (you surely know what you think of the Playboy lifestyle by now). Weinstein, well, he's in a long tradition of rapacious moguls, sadly. But Trump is off topic, plainly—and this place is, in general, a refuge from the politicization of everything online.
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