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sepiatone wrote:Chloris Leachman played Molly Brown twice in two separate Titanic incarnations, a 1957 television presentation and 1979's S.O.S. Titanic.

E. J. Ratcliffe had three goes as Teddy Roosevelt, two in the silent era and a third in the talkies.

The Titanic episode was called 'The Unsinkable Molly Brown' and there is a segment of it on YT. Is the rest out there?

earlytalkiebuffRob wrote:

sepiatone wrote:Chloris Leachman played Molly Brown twice in two separate Titanic incarnations, a 1957 television presentation and 1979's S.O.S. Titanic.

E. J. Ratcliffe had three goes as Teddy Roosevelt, two in the silent era and a third in the talkies.[/quote

The Titanic episode was called 'The Unsinkable Molly Brown' and there is a segment of it on YT. Is the rest out there?

I could only imagine, it's early television so maybe in kinescope, maybe.

greta de groat wrote:Ivan Mosjoukine remade two of his silents, Casanova and L'enfant du carnaval, though i haven't heard of anyone who has seen them (there are no IMDB reviews)

I've never heard of anyone who's seen them, either. Does anyone know if they survive?

Neither film is listed in the FIAF Treasures database, but I don't think that database is very complete regarding sound-era titles.

In the first two (1917 and 1922) of the four film adaptations of the 1914 Hubert Henry Davies play OUTCAST, mustachioed leading man David Powell repeated the role of Geoffrey Sherwood, the 2nd time opposite the Elsie Ferguson who originated the female lead role at the Lyceum Theatre (now landmarked as NYC’s “oldest surviving theatre in continuous legitimate use”). David Powell played opposite Ferguson in five east coast Paramount films.

Not specifically looking, but just came across another weird one:
In the two versions (1914 and 1922) of MR. BARNES OF NEW YORK, Naomi Childers plays the role of Enid Anstruther. The 2nd version exists complete at Eastman:
http://memory.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/loc.m ... fault.html

I've only just discovered that Sessue Hayakawa reprised his role as the villain in The Cheat (1915) in a French talkie remake, Forfaiture (1937). It's surprising that he'd have agreed to do that, as the racial element of the story had already become controversial as early as the original version's 1918 re-release.

This might have been mentioned -- Tom Conway plays Dr. Louis Judd in the original CAT PEOPLE and in THE SEVENTH VICTIM.

(Yikes! This thread seems to prove - several times! - the sad internet truism that some folks don't read a thread before they post in it! I'll try not to make the same mistake...)

JFK, in addition to the 30 min. Karloff radio ARSENIC that you cited, he did a fuller production, joined by some members of the original cast:

https://www.oldtimeradiodownloads.com/d ... d-old-lace

If we allow television, Hal Holbrook played Lincoln twice there, in SANDBURG'S LINCOLN and NORTH AND SOUTH.

And of course, in addition to myriad times on stage, Bela Lugosi's film turns as Dracula include DRACULA, and ABBOTT & COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN.

- Craig

I'm really surprised that nobody mentioned Douglas Fairbanks as Zorro in Zorro (1920) and here in Don Q, Son of Zorro (1925). It's been a few years since I've seen it, so is he Don Q in this photo?

wich2 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:30 am

(Yikes! This thread seems to prove - several times! - the sad internet truism that some folks don't read a thread before they post in it! I'll try not to make the same mistake...)

To be fair, this thread was started over six years ago. I doubt many people have checked the Murphy Beds thread back to its decade-old first post before adding their latest observation.

I get that, but ~

~ it's still also a very short thread, yes?

To me, if a topic is of interest, it's of interest. The whole Board Discussion concept isn't helped much by a, "well, I'll just read three posts, and then add a fourth..." tactic!

- Craig

And of course Brigitte Helm played Alraune in the silent (Henrik Galeen, 1928) and sound (Richard Oswald, 1930) versions !

I don't know if this counts, but a LOT of actors played the same role (sometimes with different names) in simultaneous "language" versions - for instance, in the case of Brigitte Helm, she was in :
1931 - Gloria (German) / Gloria (French)
1932 - Die Herrin von Atlantis (German) / L'Atlantide (French) / The Mistress of Atlantis (English)
1933 - Die schönen Tage von Aranjuez (German) / Adieu les beaux jours (French)
1934 - Gold (German) / L'or (French)
1934 - Die Insel (German), Vers l'abîme (French)
1935 - Fürst Woronzeff (German) / Le secret des Woronzeff (French)

But of course, myriads of other actors played the same role in simultaneous "language" versions, not only in early talkies, but decades later !

Richard Finegan wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:42 am

Charles Middleton portrayed Abraham Lincoln in a few different films.

He also played an out-of-work actor in STAND-IN (1937), who answers the door of the rooming-house (to Joan Blondell, I think) where he lives, in full Lincoln rig, and trying to recite the Gettysburg Address...

Charlton Heston played Andrew Jackson twice, in THE PRESIDENT'S LADY (1953) and THE BUCCANEER (1958).

He also played Marc Antony in Shakespeare's JULIUS CAESAR on film in 1950, 1970, and 1972 (the last retitled ANTONY AND CLEOPATRA).

kaleidoscopeworld wrote: ↑

Sat May 26, 2018 5:10 pm

greta de groat wrote:Ivan Mosjoukine remade two of his silents, Casanova and L'enfant du carnaval, though i haven't heard of anyone who has seen them (there are no IMDB reviews)

I've never heard of anyone who's seen them, either. Does anyone know if they survive?

Neither film is listed in the FIAF Treasures database, but I don't think that database is very complete regarding sound-era titles.

There's a brief clip on YT purporting to come from the sound L'ENFANT DU CARNAVAL...

Marion Davies played Marianne twice. First as a silent film with Oscar Shaw, Robert Ames, Mack Swain, and Fred Solm, and again in her starring talkie debut with Lawrence Gray, Cliff Edwards, and Benny Rubin. Scott Kolk and Emile Chautard played the same roles in bother versions.

The film was sort of a remake of The Big Parade (1925). Sort of. Writer Laurence Stallings revisited his main characters (played by John Gilbert and Renee Adoree) and recast them in this new story.

The silent version was released in Europe in July of 1929 and also in small town America; the talkie version was released in late August.

Daniel Eagan wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:04 pm

Does Frank McGlynn count? He had the title role in the 1919 play Abraham Lincoln, then played Lincoln in The Littlest Rebel and The Plainsman, and something called Are We Civilized (which I haven't seen). I think he also did a Lincoln excerpt for a DeForest talkie short.

Strictly speaking, The Hobbit isn't a sequel to The Lord of the Rings. Ian McKellen is in both trilogies, as are Cate Blanchett, Hugo Weaving, Christopher Lee, and Andy Serkis, among others.

McGlynn played Lincoln in the 1915 THE LIFE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, which is extant and on YouTube. He also wrote a book, 'Sidelights on Lincoln', although that apparently focuses on his connection with John Drinkwater's play and has little or nothing on his film portrayals. IMDb also credits him as Lincoln in ARE WE CIVILIZED? (1934), in which he also plays a baddie. However, the shot of Lincoln is more like a posed photo and lasts just a few seconds, so it's hard to tell...

drednm wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:25 am

Marion Davies played Marianne twice. First as a silent film with Oscar Shaw, Robert Ames, Mack Swain, and Fred Solm, and again in her starring talkie debut with Lawrence Gray, Cliff Edwards, and Benny Rubin. Scott Kolk and Emile Chautard played the same roles in bother versions.

The film was sort of a remake of The Big Parade (1925). Sort of. Writer Laurence Stallings revisited his main characters (played by John Gilbert and Renee Adoree) and recast them in this new story.

The silent version was released in Europe in July of 1929 and also in small town America; the talkie version was released in late August.

Does the silent version exist? I saw MARIANNE as part of a Marion Davies day at London's NFT during the great MGM tribute. (the others shown were THE FLORADORA GIRL and GOING HOLLYWOOD) OF 1980.

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The Crowd Roars (1932) J.Cagney:Joe Greer A.Dvorak:Lee Merrick E.Linden:Eddie Greer
Frank McHugh:Spud Connors Regis Toomey:Dick Wilbur
Indianapolis Speedway (1939) A.Sheridan:Frankie Merrick P.O'Brien:Joe Greer J.Payne:Eddie Greer
Frank McHugh:Spud Connors Regis Toomey:Dick Wilbur

Trivia
"Stock footage was temporarily removed from The Crowd Roars to be used in the remake, Indianapolis Speedway; when it was replaced back into this film's negative, some of the "Indianapolis Speedway" footage got mixed in with it, so that you now see 1939 footage in a 1932 film, including shots of a late 1930s ambulance and automobiles as well as racing announcers Wendell Niles, John Conte and Reid Kilpatrick, who did not appear in the film as it was originally released. Frank McHugh plays the same character in the remake .... The remake even uses footage of McHugh from the first film to save on production expenses. ."

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And Hawks's film is still incomplete!

earlytalkiebuffRob wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:28 am

drednm wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:25 am

Marion Davies played Marianne twice. First as a silent film with Oscar Shaw, Robert Ames, Mack Swain, and Fred Solm, and again in her starring talkie debut with Lawrence Gray, Cliff Edwards, and Benny Rubin. Scott Kolk and Emile Chautard played the same roles in bother versions.

The film was sort of a remake of The Big Parade (1925). Sort of. Writer Laurence Stallings revisited his main characters (played by John Gilbert and Renee Adoree) and recast them in this new story.

The silent version was released in Europe in July of 1929 and also in small town America; the talkie version was released in late August.

Does the silent version exist? I saw MARIANNE as part of a Marion Davies day at London's NFT during the great MGM tribute. (the others shown were THE FLORADORA GIRL and GOING HOLLYWOOD) OF 1980.

Here is Ed's review on IMDB so he's seen the silent version: User Reviews

Marion Davies in the Silent MARIANNE
3 July 2008 | by drednm – See all my reviews
The first version of Marion Davies' MARIANNE was a silent film (completed and released on a limited basis) in 1929. MGM made an odd but successful decision to re-shoot the entire film as a talkie (with songs) rather than create the usual "goat-gland" film by adding dialog or sound effects to a silent film. The result was a delightful starring talkie debut for Davies.

In the original silent version, we have exactly the same story (almost scene for scene) but with a different cast. The leading man here is Oscar Shaw (rather than Lawrence Gray) with comedy support from Robert Ames (rather than Cliff Edwards and Benny Rubin in the talkie). Robert Castle (also billed as Fred Solm) appears as Andre in both versions. Mack Swain plays the general in the silent version.

While the silent MARIANNE is an OK film in its own right, Shaw is a bland leading man and Ames adds little in the way of comic relief. I suppose it's unfair to compare the two films, but the silent version is very rare in any case, while the talkie version of MARIANNE shows up regularly on TV.

Davies was a top silent comedienne, and her work in MARIANNE is quite good, especially in the scene where she masquerades as a lieutenant with a bizarre mustache (and learns to smoke a cigar). MARIANNE would be the final silent film for the great Marion Davies.

Yes it survives and is archived (I think) in the MGM Archive which is now part of AMPAS. Oddly, the silent version is not part of the Marion Davies Collection at LOC and does not appear in David Pearce's LOC database. I've only found a flickery version, which is hard to watch ... but it certainly exists. Here's more on the two versions.

https://silentroomdotblog.wordpress.com ... mariannes/

How about a double double?

Seymour Hicks in Scrooge (1913) and (1935)

Alastair Sim in A Christmas Carol (1951) and (1971)

Bob

Well, Bob, if you're gonna let Broadcast in the door at this mainly Film site (Sim's second CAROL was produced for TV), there's that other Uncle Ebenezer:

Lionel Barrymore did almost play him on the large screen in 1938 ~

~ and that was during his 19 year run in the role (missing only two in that time) on Radio.

Best,
- Craig

P.S. - And add one on Records, in 1947!

Charles Trowbridge played Senator Cordell Hull in Sergeant York (1940) and Secretary of State Cordell Hull in Mission to Moscow (1943).

drednm wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:19 am

Yes it survives and is archived (I think) in the MGM Archive which is now part of AMPAS. Oddly, the silent version is not part of the Marion Davies Collection at LOC and does not appear in David Pearce's LOC database. I've only found a flickery version, which is hard to watch ... but it certainly exists. Here's more on the two versions.

https://silentroomdotblog.wordpress.com ... mariannes/

Glad to hear it's around. Over here in England, TV stations (aside from 'Talking Pictures') tend to shun anything old or b/w, unlike BBC2 or C4 years ago. The only way I've seen MARIANNE was either by travelling up to 'The Smoke' or through YouTube. Another good reason why I threw in my license....

The late, great Hal Holbrook, in another role (ala my Barrymore post above) that I share with the subject actor ~



SANDBURG'S 'LINCOLN' - excellent material; adequate makeup.



NORTH AND SOUTH - terrible material; phenomenal makeup.

Excluding all of the Hammer sequels, Christopher Lee played "Count Dracula" in DRACULA (1958), COUNT DRACULA (1970, Spain), ONE MORE TIME (1970) and DRACULA AND SON (1974, France).

Likewise, Peter Cushing played "Baron Frankenstein" in CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN (1957) and ONE MORE TIME (1957).

Vincent Price played the Invisible Man in THE INVISIBLE MAN RETURNS (1940) and ABBOTT & COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN (1948).

Nicholas Rowe played "Sherlock Holmes" as a boy in YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES (1985) and as a character in a film in MR. HOLMES (2015).

Try as I might but I can't find reference to the two films Mrs Herbert Wilcox(Anna Neagle) made playing Queen Victoria:
VICTORIA THE GREAT(1937)
SIXTY GLORIOUS YEARS(1938) Technicolor
Herbert Wilcox made two films about Nurse Edith Cavell:
DAWN(1928). With Sybil Thorndike. UK
NURSE EDITH CAVELL(1939). With Anna Neagle as the star. US

Frank McHugh

One Way Passage (1932)
Skippy

Although the character's name would change, Frank McHugh plays the same part in the remake titled 'Til We Meet Again (1940)

wich2 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:18 pm

Well, Bob, if you're gonna let Broadcast in the door at this mainly Film site (Sim's second CAROL was produced for TV) . . .

To be fair, the Charles M. Jones / Richard Williams production of A CHRISTMAS CAROL was financed by ABC-TV and shown once on the network in 1971, but it was released theatrically the following year and later won the Oscar for Best Animated Short Subject.