Silent Film Tragedies

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Post by Jim Roots » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:22 am

Mike Gebert wrote:I think it was a hard, lonely life and people drank a lot. I did some digging through old Varietys and it was kind of amazing how many obits there were for some guy who was famous for his vaudeville routine who was playing cards with some other performer in their boarding house in Moose Jaw and the one guy goes out for more ice and the other guy jumps out the window or blows his brains out. I think we're just better these days at keeping practitioners of a neurotic profession from being driven to those extremes of despair quite as much.
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Post by boblipton » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:26 am

Is Moose Jaw where they manufacture one of the parts for assembly at Moose Factory?

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Post by bobfells » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:01 am

WI Mark,

Re the welcoming attitude - N'ville is made up of lots of personalities and lots of attitudes too. On the whole you received many helpful and friendly responses to your inquiry so the batting average on friendliness is pretty good. Let me suggest that you not be too quick to take offense at something somebody says - email is limited and a remark can suddenly be embellished with unintended sarcasm by the reader. The people who have issues will unmistakably make known their attitude to you - trust me!

Re the topic itself, a natural and unexpected line of inquiry when watching a vintage film is to be curious about the fate of the individuals we are watching. Until about 1940, antibiotics were not available so lots of people died of simple things like a blister (Calvin Coolidge's son) or an abscessed tooth, during the teens, 20s and 30s. Adding to the infection rate, taking prescription meds to battle depression and anxiety were unheard of. People self-medicated with alcohol and tobacco (not to mention narcotics) to make themselves feel better, sometimes with disasterous results. But I think the list of film folks who lived a normal life span and then some would be as long and probably longer than your list of fatalities.
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Post by drednm » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:01 am

Robert Ames (1889-1931) died of the DTs..... a little over 40, had been in films since 1920 but probably more memorable for early talkies like The Trespasser, Holiday, War Nurse, and A Lady to Love.
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Post by sepiatone » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:21 am

hey guys, we didn't get MARY MOORE(1890 - 1919), the sister of Tom, Owen and Matt Moore. - cause: Spanish Influenza while serving with Red Cross in France
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601587/?ref_=nmbio_mbio" target="_blank

nor their brother JOE MOORE (1894-1926) - cause: Heart Attack
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601373/?ref_=fn_al_nm_4" target="_blank

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Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:27 am

bobfells wrote:WI Mark,

Re the welcoming attitude - N'ville is made up of lots of personalities and lots of attitudes too. On the whole you received many helpful and friendly responses to your inquiry so the batting average on friendliness is pretty good. Let me suggest that you not be too quick to take offense at something somebody says - email is limited and a remark can suddenly be embellished with unintended sarcasm by the reader. The people who have issues will unmistakably make known their attitude to you - trust me!

Re the topic itself, a natural and unexpected line of inquiry when watching a vintage film is to be curious about the fate of the individuals we are watching. Until about 1940, antibiotics were not available so lots of people died of simple things like a blister (Calvin Coolidge's son) or an abscessed tooth, during the teens, 20s and 30s. Adding to the infection rate, taking prescription meds to battle depression and anxiety were unheard of. People self-medicated with alcohol and tobacco (not to mention narcotics) to make themselves feel better, sometimes with disasterous results. But I think the list of film folks who lived a normal life span and then some would be as long and probably longer than your list of fatalities.
I appreciate your kind words.

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Post by Harold Aherne » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:28 am

If anyone's interested, Arizona birth certificates up to 1937 and death certificates up to 1962 can be viewed directly at:
http://genealogy.az.gov/

There are some film people who died in AZ during that time: Marshall Farnum (brother of Dustin and William), Otto Matieson, Charles Mack (of Moran & Mack fame), Cecil Van Auker, Tom Mix, Ted Wells, Victor Fleming, etc.

Birth certificates can also be found for people like Andy Devine, Rosemary DeCamp, Virginia Lee Corbin and more.

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Post by Daniel Eagan » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:41 am

Possibly off topic, but wasn't there a vaudeville actor who was killed in a knife fight in a bar? Possibly played in a Vitaphone short. I'm thinking he worked with Joe Frisco but my knowledge of trivia is fading.


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Re: Silent Film Tragedies

Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:44 am

The latest and greatest:

Directors

Yevgeni Bauer (1865-1917) – Complications from broken leg; pneumonia.
Paul Bern (1889-1932) – Suicide (gunshot). Mother was also a suicide (drowning).
Francis Boggs (1870-1911) – Murder (gunshot). Killed by Selig studio employee, Frank Minnimatsu, who “went postal”; studio head William Nicholas Selig was also wounded in attack.
John H. Collins (1889-1918) – Spanish flu.
Alan Crosland (1894-1936) – Car crash.
Bernard Durning (1893-1923) – Typhoid fever.
Louis Feuillade (1873-1925) – Peritonitis.
Thomas Ince (1882-1924) – Cause of death disputed; officially, heart attack (possibly related to overwork); rumors of murder.
F. Richard Jones (1893-1930) – Tuberculosis.
Paul Leni (1885-1929) – Blood poisoning from infected mosquito bite.
Willard Louis (1882-1926) – Typhoid fever, pneumonia.
F.W. Murnau (1888-1931) – Car crash (caused by chauffeur).
Lynn Reynolds (1899-1927) – Suicide (gunshot).
Albert Russell (1890-1929) – Pneumonia; died two weeks after brother William Russell, also a victim of pneumonia.
Stellan Rye (1880-1914) – Died as prisoner of war in World War I.
Lowell Sherman (1885-1934) – Pneumonia.
Harry Solter (1873-1920) – Stroke.
William Desmond Taylor (1872-1922) – Murder (gunshot). Unsolved.
Frank Urson (1887-1928) – Accidental drowning.
William Wolbert (1883-1918) – Pneumonia.
Duke Worne (188-1933) – Cause of death not listed in reference sources.
John Griffith Wray (1896-1929) – Complications from appendectomy.

Actors

Art Acord (1890-1931) – Suicide (poison).
Renee Adoree (1898-1933) – Tuberculosis.
Robert Ames (1889-1931) – Alcoholism.
Fatty Arbuckle (1887-1933) – Heart attack.
Hal August (1890-1918) – Cause of death not listed in reference sources.
Marion Aye (1903-1951) – Suicide (poison).
Agnes Ayres (1898-1940) – Mental illness, cerebral hemorrhage.
Florence Barker (1891-1913) – Pneumonia.
Anita Berber (1899-1928) – Tuberculosis, following on alcoholism and drug addiction.
Vedah Bertram (1891-1912) – Appendicitis.
Francelia Billington (1895-1934) – Tuberculosis.
True Boardman (1882-1918) – Spanish flu.
Elmer Booth (1882-1915) – Car crash (caused by driver Tod Browning, who crashed car at full speed into a moving train).
Olive Borden (1906-1947) – Pneumonia.
John Bowers (1885-1936) – Suicide (drowning).
Sylvia Breamer (1897-1943) – Cause of death not listed in reference sources.
Gladys Brockwell (1894-1929) – Car crash.
Eric Campbell (1879-1917) – Car crash.
June Caprice (1895-1936) – Cancer, heart attack.
Frank Carter (1889-1920) – Car crash.
Vernon Castle (1887-1918) – Plane crash.
Helene Chadwick (1897-1940) – Injuries from fall, reportedly exacerbated by her “highly nervous state.”
Lon Chaney (1883-1930) – Lung cancer.
Rex Cherryman (1896-1928) – Septic poisoning.
Lew Cody (1884-1934) – Heart disease.
Bobby Connelly (1909-1922) – Endocarditis, bronchitis.
Virginia Lee Corbin (1910-1942) – Tuberculosis.
William Courtleigh, Jr. (1892-1918) – Spanish flu.
Ward Crane (1890-1928) – Pneumonia.
John Cumpson (1866-1913) – Pneumonia, diabetes.
Lester Cuneo (1888-1925) – Suicide (gunshot).
Primo Cuttica (1876-1921) – Died “after a long illness.”
Karl Dane (1886-1934) – Suicide (gunshot).
Camille D’Arcy (1879-1916) – Infection from bathing in Lake Michigan.
Lya De Putti (1897-1931) – Pneumonia following accidental ingestion of chicken bone.
Florence Deshon (1893-1922) – Poisoning from gas jet; possible suicide.
Gaby Deslys (1881-1920) – Complications from influenza-related throat infection.
Patterson Dial (1902-1945) – Barbiturate overdose, disputed as to whether accidental or suicidal.
Jenny Dolly (1892-1941) – Suicide (hanging).
Lucille McVey Drew (1890-1925) – Died “after a lingering illness.”
S. Rankin Drew (1891-1918) – Killed in battle in World War I.
Jeanne Eagels (1890-1929) – Drug overdose.
B. Reeves Eason, Jr. (1914-1921) – Hit by truck.
Mary Eaton (1901-1948) – Cirrhosis.
Diane Ellis (1909-1930) – Infection while traveling in India.
Frank Farrington (1873-1924) – Choked to death.
Casson Ferguson (1891-1929) – Pneumonia.
George Field (1877-1925) – Tuberculosis.
Vladmir Fogel (1902-1929) – Suicide (gunshot).
Tom Forman (1895-1926) – Suicide (gunshot).
Henry Fragson (1869-1913) – Murder (shot by his father). The father, diagnosed with senile dementia, died less than two months later while awaiting trial.
John Gilbert (1899-1936) – Heart attack.
Myrtle Gonzalez (1891-1918) – Spanish flu.
Fred Goodwins (1891-1923) – Bronchitis.
Joseph Graybill (1887-1913) – Cause of death variously given; possibly spinal meningitis.
James Hall (1900-1940) – Cirrhosis.
Lillian Hall-Davis (1898-1933) – Suicide (gas).
Einar Hanson (1899-1927) – Car crash.
Mildred Harris (1901-1944) – Pneumonia following abdominal operation.
John Harron (1903-1939) – Spinal meningitis.
Robert Harron (1893-1920) – Gunshot, disputed as to whether accidental or suicidal.
Tessie Harron (1896-1918) - Spanish flu.
Dick Hatton (1888-1931) – Car crash.
Ullrich Haupt, Sr. (1887-1931) – Hunting accident.
Walter Hiers (1893-1933) – Pneumonia.
Thelma Hill (1906-1938) – Alcoholism.
Thomas Holding (1878-1929) – Heart attack.
Allen Holubar (1888-1923) – Complications from gallstone surgery.
Helen Howard (1899-1927) – Car crash.
Shelly Hull (1884-1919) – Pneumonia.
Bobby “Wheezer” Hutchins (1925-1945) – Aviation accident in basic training. (Had been in silent “Our Gang” comedies as young as age 2.)
Arthur V. Johnson (1876-1916) – Tuberculosis.
Lamar Johnstone (1884-1918) – Heart disease.
Gregory Kelly (1891-1927) – Heart attack.
Merna Kennedy (1906-1944) – Heart attack.
Vera Kholodnaya (1893-1919) – Spanish flu.
Allyn King (1901-1930) – Suicide (jump).
Florence La Badie (1888-1917) – Car crash.
Barbara La Marr (1896-1926) – Drug addiction and alcoholism.
Dee Lampton (1898-1919) – Appendicitis.
Florence Lawrence (1886-1938) – Suicide (poison).
Pepi Lederer (1910-1935) – Suicide (jump).
Dan Leno (1860-1904) – Cause of death not reported; suffered from alcoholism and had spent time in an insane asylum.
Max Linder (1883-1925) – Double suicide with wife (sleeping pills, morphine, cutting of veins).
Ruan Lingyu (1910-1935) – Suicide (barbiturate overdose).
Ormer Locklear (1891-1920) – Plane crash while performing stunt (footage incorporated into 1920 feature The Skywayman).
Harold Lockwood (1887-1918) – Spanish flu.
Jeanette Loff (1906-1942) – Ammonia poisoning, disputed as to whether accidental or suicidal.
Lottie Lyell (1890-1925) – Consumption.
Fred Mace (1878-1917) – Stroke.
Charles Emmett Mack (1900-1927) – Car crash.
Elsie Mackay (1893-1928) – Plane crash at sea; plane never recovered.
Martha Mansfield (1899-1923) – Accidental burning.
Marguerite Marsh (1888-1925) – Pneumonia.
Otto Matieson (1893-1932) – Car crash.
Eva May (1902-1924) – Suicide (gunshot).
Marc McDermott (1881-1929) – Cirrhosis.
Paddy McGuire (1884-1923) – Complications from syphilis? Had been institutionalized for insanity two years prior to death.
Sunny Jim McKeen (1924-1933) – Measles, blood poisoning.
Earl Metcalfe (1889-1928) – Fell out of plane.
Joe Moore (1894-1926) – Heart attack.
Mary Moore (1890-1919) – Spanish flu (while serving with Red Cross in France in aftermath of World War I).
James Murray (1901-1936) – Drowning (accidental?).
Evelyn Nelson (1899-1923) – Suicide (gas).
Mary Nolan (1902-1948) – Barbiturate overdose, disputed as to whether accidental or suicidal.
Mabel Normand (1892-1930) – Tuberculosis.
Amieto Novelli (1885-1924) – Encephalitis.
Marcel Perez (1885-1927) – Cancer.
Edwin R. Phillips (1872-1915) – Pneumonia, heart disease.
Jack Pickford (1896-1933) – Drug addiction, alcoholism, and syphilis.
Lottie Pickford (1895-1936) – Heart attack.
Vitold Polonsky (1879-1919) – Food poisoning.
David Powell (1883-1925) – Pneumonia.
Evelyn Preer (1896-1932) – Pneumonia following childbirth.
Marie Prevost (1898-1937) – Alcoholism.
Valdemar Psilander (1884-1917) – Cause of death disputed; officially, heart attack; possible suicide (prescription drug overdose).
Rae Randall (Sigrun Solvason) (1897-1934) – Suicide (poison).
Virginia Rappe (1891-1921) – Peritonitis.
Marvel Rea (1901-1937) – Suicide (poison), several months after she was kidnapped and gang-raped.
Wallace Reid (1891-1923) – Drug addiction.
Lucille Ricksen (1910-1925) – Tuberculosis.
Billie Ritchie (1878-1921) – Cause of death reported as complications from internal injuries caused by kick in the stomach by ostrich on set; may have been stomach cancer in actuality.
Edith Roberts (1899-1935) – Septicemia following childbirth.
Earle Rodney (1888-1932) – Pneumonia.
Alan (Albert) Roscoe (1886-1933) – Cause of death not listed in reference sourcesl.
Alma Rubens (1897-1931) – Drug addiction.
William Russell (1884-1929) – Pneumonia; brother of director Albert Russell, who also died of pneumonia two weeks later.
Emilie Sannom (1886-1931) – Aviation accident (failure of parachute deployment).
Dorothy Seastrom (1903-1930) – Tuberculosis.
Larry Semon (1889-1928) – Pneumonia, tuberculosis.
Clarine Seymour (1898-1920) – Strangulation of the intestines.
William Sherwood (1896-1918) – Cause of death not listed in reference sources; Spanish flu?
George Siegmann (1882-1928) – Pernicious anemia. Had been badly hurt in Tod Browning-Elmer Booth car crash years earlier.
Milton Sills (1882-1930) – Heart attack.
Jack Standing (1886-1917) – Pneumonia.
Emily Stevens (1882-1928) – Pneumonia.
William Stowell (1885-1919) – Train crash.
Lilyan Tashman (1896-1934) – Cancer, complications from surgery.
Lou Tellegen (1881-1934) – Suicide (stabbing hara-kiri style).
Olive Thomas (1894-1920) – Mercury bichloride ingestion; disputed as to whether accident or suicide.
Fred Thomson (1890-1928) – Tetanus.
Mary Thurman (1895-1925) – Pneumonia.
Thelma Todd (1906-1935) – Carbon monoxide poisoning (car in garage); disputed as to whether accident, suicide, or murder.
Wayland Trask, Jr. (1887-1918) – Spanish flu.
Hugh Trevor (1903-1933) – Complications from appendectomy.
Norman Trevor (1877-1929) – Brain malady.
Rudolph Valentino (1895-1926) – Peritonitis.
Conrad Veidt (1893-1943) – Heart attack.
Marie Walcamp (1894-1936) – Suicide (prescription drug overdose).
Blanche Walsh (1873-1915) – Kidney failure.
Dorrit Weixler (1892-1916) – Suicide (hanging); suffered from morphine addiction.
Pearl White (1889-1938) – Cirrhosis.
Robert Williams (1894-1931) – Peritonitis following two appendicitis operations.
Al Wilson (1895-1932) – Plane crash.
Helen Lee Worthing (1905-1948) – Suicide (barbiturate overdose).
Ralph Yearsley (1896-1928) – Suicide.
Valentina Zimina (1899-1928) – Influenza.
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Post by drednm » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:46 am

Very minor but, Tessie Harron (1896-1918), sister of Robert and John, one film appearance. Another Spanish flu victim. What a hard-luck family!
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Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:58 am

Daniel Eagan wrote:Possibly off topic, but wasn't there a vaudeville actor who was killed in a knife fight in a bar? Possibly played in a Vitaphone short. I'm thinking he worked with Joe Frisco but my knowledge of trivia is fading.
I've tried Googling this, haven't tracked it down yet. Ring a bell with anyone?

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Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:00 am

David Denton wrote:Dick Hatton (1888-1931)
Marcel Perez (1885-1929)
Wayland Trask (1887-1918)
Stellan Rye (1880-1914)
Primo Cuttica (played 'Bidoni') 1876-1921
Dan Leno (1860-1904)
Henry Fragson (1869-1913)
Amleto Novelli (1885-1924)
Alan (Albert) Roscoe (1886-1933)
Ralph Yearsley (1896-1928)
Duke Worne (1888-1933)
William Wolbert (1883-1918)
Harry (Hal) Solter (1873-1920)
John Cumpson (1868-1913)
Allen Holubar (1888-1923)
George Field (1877-1925)
Edwin R. Phillips (1872-1915)
William Sherwood (1896-1918)
S. Rankin Drew (1892-1918)
Great work, I added all of these. The Henry Fragson case is especially interesting:

http://davidkfrasier.blogspot.mx/2013/0 ... -gaye.html

Henry Fragson -- Shades of Marvin Gaye

Born Leon Phillipe Pott in London on July 2, 1869, Fragson spent most of his early life in Belgium learning the yeast trade from his salesman father, Victor. Equally adept in speaking English and French, Fragson did not touch a piano until 1889. Two years later, the 20 year old was wowing Parisian audiences with a cabaret act in which the elegantly attired singer-comedian accompanied himself on the piano. A perennial favorite in the Folies Bergere, Fragson performed almost exclusively in France until 1905 when he appeared in a role specifically written for him in the pantomime Cinderella at London's Drury Lane Theatre. In London, Fragson appeared in the musicals Castles in Spain (1906) performing his composition, "Hello! Hello! Who's Your Lady Friend," Sinbad the Sailor (1906-1907), and in The Babes in the Wood at the Drury Lane during the 1907-1908 season.

In 1913, Fragson, 45, was at the height of his career and earning $750.00 a week in various revues when his relationship with music hall actress Paulette Franck led to tension between the entertainer and his 83-year-old father, Victor Pott. Quarrels between father and son became more frequent after the actress moved into the Paris home they had happily shared for many years in the Rue Lafayette. Concerned by his father's violent threats against him and his lover, Fragson consulted a doctor who recommended that the elderly man be placed in a rest home. The entertainer was evidently in the process of arranging to do so when the senile Pott learned of the plan.

On the evening of December 30, 1913, Fragson returned home after dining with friends to find the door locked. He rang the bell for several moments before his father answered the door. The singer complained of the delay, a bitter quarrel ensued, and Pott shot his son once in the back of the head as the entertainer stormed past him. Fragson died without regaining consciousness. Pott later told police: "I more than once wanted to commit suicide. That is the reason why I had the revolver. Life had become a burden to me. The woman whom my son imposed on me under my roof was the cause of frequent quarrels between us. I often made representations to my son about this cohabitation, but he would never listen to me. This evening, after the first angry word from my son addressed to me, I intended to kill myself before him. I produced the revolver which I was holding in my pocket. I do not know what happened. Instead of putting a bullet through my head I fired in the direction of my son. I cannot explain why I did so."

Public opinion against the filicide ran high. Ten thousand mourners and gawkers brought traffic to a standstill as the funeral procession fought its way to Montmartre Cemetery. Souvenir hunters ripped apart floral tributes to the dead entertainer and one bystander, mistakenly though to be Victor Pott, had to be protected by police. Pott, medically diagnosed in the latter stages of senile dementia, died in prison on February 17, 1914 awaiting trial.

Recommended Reading:
Lamb, Andrew, and John Myerscough. Fragson: The Triumphs and the Tragedy. Croydon: Fullers Wood Press/Music Hall Masters, 2004.

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Post by sepiatone » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:23 am

Wisconsin Mark:
corrections, Lou Tellegen committed suicide in 1934 rather than 1952. Dan Leno wasn't involved in silent film unless I stand corrected. He died in 1904 and was a stage actor.

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Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:46 am

sepiatone wrote:Wisconsin Mark:
corrections, Lou Tellegen committed suicide in 1934 rather than 1952. Dan Leno wasn't involved in silent film unless I stand corrected. He died in 1904 and was a stage actor.
I thought I had corrected the Tellegen error, but apparently not in all my materials. It's OK now.

Dan Leno did make films:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0502124/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Leno

[Leno] also made 14 short films towards the end of his life, in which he portrayed a bumbling buffoon who struggles to carry out everyday tasks, such as riding a bicycle or opening a bottle of champagne.

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Post by George O'Brien » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:53 am

Wisconsin Mark wrote:
Mitch Farish wrote:Has anyone mentioned F. W. Murnau - car crash? He was 42.
That one was a great artistic loss - he might have made many more major films.

The crash was caused by Murnau's 14-year-old Filipino chauffeur. Some sources say the chauffeur died, some say he survived. Kenneth Anger and others have mentioned rumors about the gay Murnau, the boy, and sexual activity in the car. Who knows.
You can get your jollies, Mr. Mark, from bizarre and unhealthy listmaking, but you must allow me to object to your spreading lies about Murnau.

These are the facts, as presented in court in a lawsuit by Murnau's heirs against the Tanner Motors Livery Company. The director had hired a car and driver to take him on a day trip to Carmel where he planned to visit with the author William Morris who had been engaged to write a novelization of TABU. Accompanying Murnau were Ned Marin - the manager of the company that did the synchronization for TABU, Garcia Stevenson - Murnau's Valet, and Pal - Murnau's German sheepdog. In a car following them were Herman Bing, and another assistant who had worked on Tabu. Outside Santa Barbara, the chauffeur stopped for gas, and Murnau's valet who had been sitting in the front passenger seat, asked if he could drive the car. The chauffeur obliged. Murnau, Ned Marin, and Pal, the sheepdog were in the back seat.

The valet nearly collided with an oncoming truck and the car ran down an embankment. All were thrown from the vehicle. The other occupants suffered slight injuries, but Murnau's skull was fractured. He died that evening in a Santa Barbara hospital.

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Post by sepiatone » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:56 am

more additions:

*THOMAS HOLDING(1878-1929) - cause: died of heart attack while in Broadway dressing room.
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*CAMILLE D'ARCY (1879 - 1916) 37 years old. cause: infection after swimming in Lake Michigan
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*VERNON CASTLE(1887 - 1918) 30 years old. cause: plane crash.
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*SHELLEY HULL(1884 - 1919) 35 years old. cause: pneumonia. Brother of Henry Hull, husband of Josephine Hull.
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*BLANCHE WALSH(1873-1915) 42 years old. cause: kidney failure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanche_Walsh" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3485977/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

*HAL AUGUST(1890 - 1918) 28 years old. cause: died while visiting Great Lakes, Illinois. Half brother of silent actor & director Edwin August.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1212424/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
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Re: Silent Film Tragedies

Post by sepiatone » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:00 pm

Wisconsin Mark wrote:
sepiatone wrote:Wisconsin Mark:
corrections, Lou Tellegen committed suicide in 1934 rather than 1952. Dan Leno wasn't involved in silent film unless I stand corrected. He died in 1904 and was a stage actor.
I thought I had corrected the Tellegen error, but apparently not in all my materials. It's OK now.

Dan Leno did make films:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0502124/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Leno

[Leno] also made 14 short films towards the end of his life, in which he portrayed a bumbling buffoon who struggles to carry out everyday tasks, such as riding a bicycle or opening a bottle of champagne.
thanks Mark, I knew who Dan Leno was but I didn't know he was involved in film making of any sort. This is good to know.

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Re: Silent Film Tragedies

Post by Jay Salsberg » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:12 pm

I don't know if he's been mentioned:

Al Wilson (1895-1932) Actor and stunt man killed in a plane crash.

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Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:28 pm

George O'Brien wrote:
Wisconsin Mark wrote:
Mitch Farish wrote:Has anyone mentioned F. W. Murnau - car crash? He was 42.
That one was a great artistic loss - he might have made many more major films.

The crash was caused by Murnau's 14-year-old Filipino chauffeur. Some sources say the chauffeur died, some say he survived. Kenneth Anger and others have mentioned rumors about the gay Murnau, the boy, and sexual activity in the car. Who knows.
You can get your jollies, Mr. Mark, from bizarre and unhealthy listmaking, but you must allow me to object to your spreading lies about Murnau.

These are the facts, as presented in court in a lawsuit by Murnau's heirs against the Tanner Motors Livery Company. The director had hired a car and driver to take him on a day trip to Carmel where he planned to visit with the author William Morris who had been engaged to write a novelization of TABU. Accompanying Murnau were Ned Marin - the manager of the company that did the synchronization for TABU, Garcia Stevenson - Murnau's Valet, and Pal - Murnau's German sheepdog. In a car following them were Herman Bing, and another assistant who had worked on Tabu. Outside Santa Barbara, the chauffeur stopped for gas, and Murnau's valet who had been sitting in the front passenger seat, asked if he could drive the car. The chauffeur obliged. Murnau, Ned Marin, and Pal, the sheepdog were in the back seat.

The valet nearly collided with an oncoming truck and the car ran down an embankment. All were thrown from the vehicle. The other occupants suffered slight injuries, but Murnau's skull was fractured. He died that evening in a Santa Barbara hospital.

Your repeating rubbish from trashy gay websites is perhaps one reason why some are less welcoming of you than others.
I wasn't endorsing Anger's account, just noting that it was "out there" and had been so for a long time. I appreciate your providing additional information.

As for "bizarre and unhealthy listmaking" - your opinion, duly noted. No one is forcing you to read the thread. Apparently, some other members of the list find it interesting.

"Trashy gay websites" - none consulted, I was referring to Anger's very well-known book Hollywood Babylon. I'll pass over the touch of hostility that might be construed from the yoking of "trashy" and "gay."

Wow, now I've been told off several times in the thread and invited to "**** off" in a PM. Fun times!

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Re: Silent Film Tragedies

Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:48 pm

sepiatone wrote:more additions:

*THOMAS HOLDING(1878-1929) - cause: died of heart attack while in Broadway dressing room.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Holding" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0390366/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

*CAMILLE D'ARCY (1879 - 1916) 37 years old. cause: infection after swimming in Lake Michigan
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0195427/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

*VERNON CASTLE(1887 - 1918) 30 years old. cause: plane crash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Castle" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0145333/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

*SHELLEY HULL(1884 - 1919) 35 years old. cause: pneumonia. Brother of Henry Hull, husband of Josephine Hull.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0401470/bio? ... _ov_bio_sm" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelly_Hull" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

*BLANCHE WALSH(1873-1915) 42 years old. cause: kidney failure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanche_Walsh" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3485977/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

*HAL AUGUST(1890 - 1918) 28 years old. cause: died while visiting Great Lakes, Illinois. Half brother of silent actor & director Edwin August.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1212424/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
Just added all these, thanks!

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Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:50 pm

Jay Salsberg wrote:I don't know if he's been mentioned:

Al Wilson (1895-1932) Actor and stunt man killed in a plane crash.
Added him. Seven plane crashes and aviation accidents in the list now.

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Post by bobfells » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:56 pm

I wouldn't cite Kenneth Anger as authority for anything.
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Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:04 pm

bobfells wrote:I wouldn't cite Kenneth Anger as authority for anything.
I wasn't citing him as an "authority," but he is a PRESENCE. Like it or not, Hollywood Babylon is a VERY famous book that has shaped many impressions of Hollywood, including of the silent era. Thus, it becomes part of the historical record in itself.

We are talking popular culture here. This is how popular culture works. The notion that there could be a purified historical record when it comes to popular culture is utterly baffling to me. And I teach history.

What people said (and say) is as much a part of history as what happened. I don't think this should come as news or any great shock. What actually happened, although it is good to establish, may have had ZERO greater effect; what was said, even though untrue or unprovable, may have had ENORMOUS greater effect. History is not just facts.

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Post by Grace » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:07 pm

Wisconsin Mark wrote:
bobfells wrote:I wouldn't cite Kenneth Anger as authority for anything.
I wasn't citing him as an "authority," but he is a PRESENCE. Like it or not, Hollywood Babylon is a VERY famous book that has shaped many impressions of Hollywood, including of the silent era. Thus, it becomes part of the historical record in itself.

We are talking popular culture here. This is how popular culture works. The notion that there could be a purified historical record when it comes to popular culture is utterly baffling to me. And I teach history.

What people said (and say) is as much a part of history as what happened. I don't think this should come as news or any great shock. What actually happened, although it is good to establish, may have had ZERO greater effect; what was said, even though untrue or unprovable, may have had ENORMOUS greater effect. History is not just facts.
I don't quite understand your point here. I thought this thread was to compile a list of the causes of death of silent film directors and performers, not a list of what stories were told about their deaths. Anger's book has been over and over again proved to be lies that he manufactured to make money – it is definitely an excellent example of pop culture lore. It does reflect very well how people in the 1960s entertained themselves by reading dirty rumours about the gilded age of Hollywood, and how the myth of that era was born – but it tells very little of what actually happened, or even of the rumours that were circulating in the early decades of the century. In the case of a person's death, there definitely is what you call 'a purified historical record' – the actual causes and circumstances of their death. Sound historical research, such as finding their death certificate, court records, etc., can in most cases determine these 'cold facts'. Of course, the death of some famous people, especially if they die young, can start rumours which become an important part of pop culture and their public image. These rumours can often persist (as in Ince's case – this is just an example, I don't want to start this debate again!) even if proper research is able to establish that their death was 'innocent'.

Yes, it is true that historical research is probably never going to be able to solve all questions we have about the past (and some deaths may remain unsolved), but that doesn't mean that all sources are equally valid... Perhaps what you meant was to include both the actual cause of death and then the pop culture lore (which can be interesting in all its absurdity), but unfortunately the way you write makes it look like you think the rumours are based on fact or at least that sound historical research cannot replace them. Many people here study or have studied history or even work in a related field – hence to imply that something like Anger's book is equal to actual historical research might offend many.

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Post by bobfells » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:31 pm

WI Mark,

You're way off the beam here. History is indeed facts and where certain facts are lacking, then there is a certain amount about hypothesis - that historians love to debate - to try to fill in for missing factual information. Mr. Anger has a reputation for making things up, the gaudier the better. His book, HOLLYWOOD BABYLON, has become notorious as a prime example of how NOT to write film history or biography. That approach does not add to our sum of knowledge, it only makes the task of separating fact from fiction much more difficult. I can't speak for all the folks on N'ville, but I'm probably safe in saying that if you appreciate Kenneth Anger's "style" of history, I doubt that you will be taken very seriously around here.
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Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:45 pm

Grace wrote:
I don't quite understand your point here. I thought this thread was to compile a list of the causes of death of silent film directors and performers, not a list of what stories were told about their deaths. Anger's book has been over and over again proved to be lies that he manufactured to make money – it is definitely an excellent example of pop culture lore. It does reflect very well how people in the 1960s entertained themselves by reading dirty rumours about the gilded age of Hollywood, and how the myth of that era was born – but it tells very little of what actually happened, or even of the rumours that were circulating in the early decades of the century. In the case of a person's death, there definitely is what you call 'a purified historical record' – the actual causes and circumstances of their death. Sound historical research, such as finding their death certificate, court records, etc., can in most cases determine these 'cold facts'. Of course, the death of some famous people, especially if they die young, can start rumours which become an important part of pop culture and their public image. These rumours can often persist (as in Ince's case – this is just an example, I don't want to start this debate again!) even if proper research is able to establish that their death was 'innocent'.

Yes, it is true that historical research is probably never going to be able to solve all questions we have about the past (and some deaths may remain unsolved), but that doesn't mean that all sources are equally valid... Perhaps what you meant was to include both the actual cause of death and then the pop culture lore (which can be interesting in all its absurdity), but unfortunately the way you write makes it look like you think the rumours are based on fact or at least that sound historical research cannot replace them. Many people here study or have studied history or even work in a related field – hence to imply that something like Anger's book is equal to actual historical research might offend many.
I think my understanding of history is much more "post-modern" than yours (and probably many people's on the board). I didn't say that Anger's book was equivalent to historical research, I said it was now part of the record of history - absorbed, responded to, recycled. That is more than you could say for many facts. I respect factual research, but I am also far more skeptical of "documentary" evidence than many. Documents can and have been manipulated, both at or near the time of creation, and well after the fact. Documents can and do contradict each other. Establishing what "actually" happened on a minute-by-minute or day-to-day basis, I take to be a nearly impossible task. We can't even do it for 9/11 or the JFK assassination, how does anyone suppose it can be done for the silent film era?

My post-modern, philosophical understanding (I teach philosophy, too) is that my list - which, as I have previously stated, is in no way intended as serious scholarship - CANNOT be a list of "actual" causes of death, but can be a list of what are commonly reported, in popular reference sources and elsewhere, as the causes of death. In disputed cases, that sometimes does include rumors. In any case, I didn't put anything that Anger said about Murnau in the list itself, I only referred to it off-handedly in one of my posts.

Anyone who might be offended at this approach to history - I certainly admit that they exist! - could be, I won't say "is," but could be, a little out of step with developments in contemporary academic history and philosophy.
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Post by Wisconsin Mark » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:50 pm

bobfells wrote:WI Mark,

You're way off the beam here. History is indeed facts and where certain facts are lacking, then there is a certain amount about hypothesis - that historians love to debate - to try to fill in for missing factual information. Mr. Anger has a reputation for making things up, the gaudier the better. His book, HOLLYWOOD BABYLON, has become notorious as a prime example of how NOT to write film history or biography. That approach does not add to our sum of knowledge, it only makes the task of separating fact from fiction much more difficult. I can't speak for all the folks on N'ville, but I'm probably safe in saying that if you appreciate Kenneth Anger's "style" of history, I doubt that you will be taken very seriously around here.
Again, I am not putting forward Anger's book as an example of the practice of history, I am saying it is now part of the history of how Hollywood has been talked about. Sure, most of it is unsubstantiated legend, some of it straight from Anger's imagination. Hollywood is in the "legends" business to begin with, and this sort of trashy gossip adds another layer to what the history of Hollywood "is."

There is nothing remotely "off the beam" about post-modernist skepticism concerning "factuality" and the possibility of establishing "facts." It is a hotly debated, yes, but quite mundane part of contemporary discourse. Surely many are familiar with Michel Foucault's insight that the "facts" are established by those who have the power to establish them? This stuff is a half-century old, at least.

This is rather invigorating, I must say! But nothing I am expressing is in any sense new, or exciting, or intended as particularly contentious. Historically and philosophically, it's humdrum.
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Post by Mike Gebert » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:57 pm

Well, then, there's this tragic end from the never-finished Hollywood Babylon III:

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JURASSIC BABYLON

In that most manly of departments, natural endowment, many male stars have been rumored about. Chaplin, it is said, and Bogart, and of course Roddy McDowall, though one has to wonder if the last is simply because of his uniquely triple-entendre name. But when the habitues around the women's grill at the Polo Club lowered their voices to get down to strict comparisons, they fessed up le scoop verite. Any time you wanted to talk about the biggest in Hollywood, there was only one name worth mentioning, and it was Latin. Brontosaurus.

When La Swanson introduced him at a little soiree at Ramon Novarro's in 1925, he made quite a splash. Literally; the sight of Novarro's Olympic-size swimming pool was too much for the bumpkin iguana after a hot and dusty trek from Pasadena, and he dove in. The resultant tidal wave sent poor Nita Naldi onto the second-floor balcony with two cracked ribs.

A Paramount scout saw something in the big green boy with the 40-foot neck, and quickly signed him to play the lead in an upcoming epic, The Lost World. Bronto was an instant sensation. Women swooned over his tragic demise on London Bridge; men admired the way the barrel-chested Bronto trashed Piccadilly Circus like it was a hotel suite registered in the name of R. Arbuckle. In a Hollywood of powder-puffs and fancy boys, here was a real throwback.

At $6,000 a week even a brontosaurus can eat steak every night. But the high life didn't last long. Sound revealed the giant creature's mighty roar to be a high-pitched mewl. His swan song came in 1933's King Kong. For a moment, a little of the old bronto was back, as he overturned a raft and chomped down on Carl Denham's crew. But his impending extinction was already visible on screen; next to a charismatic primate like Kong, the Cagney of the jungle, Bronto was just a ten-ton Francis X. Bushman. His last role came when another broken-down silent great, D. W. Griffith, directed him in a few scenes opposite caveman Lon Chaney Jr. and cavegirl Carole Landis in 1940's One Million B.C. Between those four, the booze bills alone nearly broke Hal Roach.

One night in 1953, coming out of a bar near Wilshire Boulevard, he missed his footing. At first he must have thought he was stuck in mud; as he struggled, drunkenly, did either of his brains register the utter, the prehistorically perfect appropriateness of his end? It took eleven tow trucks to haul his fossils out of the La Brea tar pits the next day.

Farewell, o sleeping dragon. Sic transit gloria brontosaurus.
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Post by Harold Aherne » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:19 pm

Wisconsin Mark wrote:There is nothing remotely "off the beam" about post-modernist skepticism concerning "factuality" and the possibility of establishing "facts." It is a hotly debated, yes, but quite mundane part of contemporary discourse. Surely many are familiar with Michel Foucault's insight that the "facts" are established by those who have the power to establish them? This stuff is a half-century old, at least.
I'm familiar with it. And I disagree.

Using anti-foundationalist thinkers to temper and consider the limits of human knowledge is one thing. Taking their views to their logical extremes leads to values that I find anti-scientific and anti-Enlightenment. Certain values and practices, I would argue, have had demonstrably better results for humanity than others. Research-based medicine has saved more people than Mary Baker Eddy; fact-based history (as in the cases of Ince and Murnau) provides more insight on individual lives than a "cultural studies" approach that incorporates non-factual audience receptions of historical events.

Falsifiability is something I value very much in historical research. Anti-foundationalist writers, taken at their word, seem intent on attacking humans' ability to prove and disprove facts. Perhaps this is their goal, as they seem to be working from a markedly different set of values than fact-based researchers (in the sciences or humanities) tend to. But having tried to see it their way, I cannot accept their assertions.

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