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Re: Possible LOC projects

Post by Spiny Norman » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:51 am

EYE have a Talmadge from the Desmet collection, most probably. It's on the European Film Gateway, for the Talmadge fans: http://www.europeanfilmgateway.eu/sites ... &width=600" target="_blank
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Spiny Norman wrote:EYE have a Talmadge from the Desmet collection, most probably. It's on the European Film Gateway, for the Talmadge fans: http://www.europeanfilmgateway.eu/sites ... &width=600" target="_blank" target="_blank

Dutch title translates as "Her Smile".
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Re: Possible LOC projects

Post by Mr.Mycroft » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:47 am

Is "Behind the Door" from 1919 something that could even be considered? Or are there restrictions upon it?

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FrankFay wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:EYE have a Talmadge from the Desmet collection, most probably. It's on the European Film Gateway, for the Talmadge fans: http://www.europeanfilmgateway.eu/sites ... &width=600" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Dutch title translates as "Her Smile".
Sorry it's Smilin' Through, I realise I linked to just the video, not the page that accompagnies it. Try: http://europeanfilmgateway.eu/node/33/t ... ingual%3A1" target="_blank

There are subtitles for it by the way. (I find the story itself simply ghastly to be honest.)
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Post by entredeuxguerres » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:27 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:...(I find the story itself simply ghastly to be honest.)
Though I have NO patience with ghosts myself, I do love this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDZ_ucfyWQ" target="_blank" target="_blank

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Post by Mike Gebert » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:29 pm

Is "Behind the Door" from 1919 something that could even be considered? Or are there restrictions upon it?
I asked James Cozart about it long ago at Cinevent or somewhere, and he said the problem is that Moscow apparently has scenes not in the LOC print and so the hope was that someday, in some big trade to be negotiated over years no doubt, that would be included and a more complete version could be assembled.

I have no idea if any of that has ever happened, but that's where it stood a decade ago or something. It would certainly be worth looking into.
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Mike Gebert wrote:
Is "Behind the Door" from 1919 something that could even be considered? Or are there restrictions upon it?
I asked James Cozart about it long ago at Cinevent or somewhere, and he said the problem is that Moscow apparently has scenes not in the LOC print and so the hope was that someday, in some big trade to be negotiated over years no doubt, that would be included and a more complete version could be assembled.

I have no idea if any of that has ever happened, but that's where it stood a decade ago or something. It would certainly be worth looking into.
A few years back Cozart said that the trade looked promosing.

Problem with the LOC print is that it is no longer considered projectable and they aren't going to make another copy from the negative unless there is a pressing reason.
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entredeuxguerres wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:...(I find the story itself simply ghastly to be honest.)
Though I have NO patience with ghosts myself, I do love this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDZ_ucfyWQ" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
Oh I meant ghastly, but you're quite right, it's ghostly too.
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Post by greta de groat » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:39 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:
FrankFay wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:EYE have a Talmadge from the Desmet collection, most probably. It's on the European Film Gateway, for the Talmadge fans: http://www.europeanfilmgateway.eu/sites ... &width=600" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Dutch title translates as "Her Smile".
Sorry it's Smilin' Through, I realise I linked to just the video, not the page that accompagnies it. Try: http://europeanfilmgateway.eu/node/33/t ... ingual%3A1" target="_blank" target="_blank

There are subtitles for it by the way. (I find the story itself simply ghastly to be honest.)
This was Norma's biggest hit, and i think it's one of her best films. The Dutch version is the European print with different takes and sometimes slightly different camera angles than the LOC print, plus one brief scene not in the LOC print. Otherwise the editing is quite similar, so the two versions are pretty close. The LOC print has significant decomp in several places, so the dutch print is overall in better shape. The LOC print has some nice at titles, though.

So, it's suggest giving it a try. It was a popular enough story to have been remade twice with Norma Shearer and Jeannette MacDonald. I like both of those version as well, so apparently i don't mind ghosts.

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Re: Possible LOC projects

Post by drednm » Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:22 am

I'm hoping someone takes on the pursuit of one of these films. More information on any of the films on this list can be had by contacting LOC librarian Rosemary Hanes at [email protected]" target="_blank

She can tell you about donor restrictions and more specific information on the condition of the films I listed......
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Post by entredeuxguerres » Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:39 am

greta de groat wrote:...It was a popular enough story to have been remade twice with Norma Shearer and Jeannette MacDonald. I like both of those version as well, so apparently i don't mind ghosts.

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Post by Spiny Norman » Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:52 pm

Gave it a try I already did, but I found it sentimental claptrap.
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Post by entredeuxguerres » Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:35 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:Gave it a try I already did, but I found it sentimental claptrap.
It's a picture, actually, I've always wanted to see...not for its excess of sentimentality, certainly not for its spectral nonsense, but for beautiful Norma's sake alone. But absolutely NOT without a premium-quality score! (Which must include that beautiful melody I previously mentioned.) I'm not holding my breath for this to happen.

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Re: Possible LOC projects

Post by Mr.Mycroft » Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:16 pm

FrankFay wrote:
Mike Gebert wrote:
Is "Behind the Door" from 1919 something that could even be considered? Or are there restrictions upon it?
I asked James Cozart about it long ago at Cinevent or somewhere, and he said the problem is that Moscow apparently has scenes not in the LOC print and so the hope was that someday, in some big trade to be negotiated over years no doubt, that would be included and a more complete version could be assembled.

I have no idea if any of that has ever happened, but that's where it stood a decade ago or something. It would certainly be worth looking into.
A few years back Cozart said that the trade looked promosing.

Problem with the LOC print is that it is no longer considered projectable and they aren't going to make another copy from the negative unless there is a pressing reason.
LIke scanning it for preservation/release?

Am very curious if there was ever any progress with the Russian archival material?

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Re: Possible LOC projects

Post by drednm » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:14 pm

Dutch title translates as "Her Smile".
Sorry it's Smilin' Through, I realise I linked to just the video, not the page that accompagnies it. Try: http://europeanfilmgateway.eu/node/33/t ... ingual%3A1

There are subtitles for it by the way. (I find the story itself simply ghastly to be honest.)
This was Norma's biggest hit, and i think it's one of her best films. The Dutch version is the European print with different takes and sometimes slightly different camera angles than the LOC print, plus one brief scene not in the LOC print. Otherwise the editing is quite similar, so the two versions are pretty close. The LOC print has significant decomp in several places, so the dutch print is overall in better shape. The LOC print has some nice at titles, though.

So, it's suggest giving it a try. It was a popular enough story to have been remade twice with Norma Shearer and Jeannette MacDonald. I like both of those version as well, so apparently i don't mind ghosts.

greta
The LOC print looks to be about 10 minutes longer than this Dutch print unless it's just a framerate difference. And Norma's version is Smiling Through.
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