PANDORA'S BOX

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PANDORA'S BOX

Unread post by Scoundrel » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:15 pm

Criterion released PANDORA'S BOX on DVD, yet there seems to be no rush for this title on Blu ray.

Any one care to explain the delay on this title ?
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Re: PANDORA'S BOX

Unread post by andybenz » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:43 pm

Just guessing...There's a newer restoration of PANDORA'S BOX with superior image quality than the one on the Criterion DVD. But it hardly ever gets shown apparently due to rights issues with the contributors of footage (e.g. the Cinematheque Francaise). Perhaps they're hoping to sort these things out. It's this version: http://www.cinematheque.fr/media/pdf/ho ... u-engl.pdf" target="_blank
It is also described here: http://www.silentfilm.org/archive/the-p ... ndoras-box" target="_blank

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Re: PANDORA'S BOX

Unread post by Scoundrel » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:25 am

Thank you for your reply.
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Re: PANDORA'S BOX

Unread post by Roscoe » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:44 am

I had the great luck to see that screening at the San Francisco Silent Film Festival of the new PANDORA'S BOX restoration. An overwhelming experience, one of the great evenings of my movie-going life. I'm hoping the folks at Criterion are able to settle whatever needs to get settled, and put out a Blu-Ray, hopefully with the Matti Bye score...
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Re: PANDORA'S BOX

Unread post by T0m M » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:21 pm

Pandora's Box was released by Criterion in 2006, which was the same year of the first commercial Blu-ray Disc releases. New run releases on Blu-ray Discs were a big gamble at the time, let alone a silent. Besides the huge question mark regarding the consumer's acceptance of high definition, there was also a format war between Blu-ray DIsc and HD DVD. Many independents sat out the market, to see which format would win and if high definition was financially viable. The outcome of all this was that Criterion only bought the DVD rights for Pandora's Box, even though it was a high definition transfer.

Lots of other Criterion DVD releases fell into the same category. By the time they released the von Sternberg set, a few year later, the format war was over and Blu-ray was well established. I held off on buying the DVDs, figuring a Blu-Ray release was imminent. I'm still waiting.

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Re: PANDORA'S BOX

Unread post by All Darc » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:24 pm

Not a very impressive digital clean-up, based in theis HD clip :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4EzcJPqAGg
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Re: PANDORA'S BOX

Unread post by Histogram » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:26 pm

All Darc wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:24 pm
Not a very impressive digital clean-up, based in theis HD clip :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4EzcJPqAGg
You cannot identify the original quality based only a Youtube stream. That presentation of the video has been transcoded one or more times, and one or more of those operations may have been poor-quality. So this leaves unknown the quality of the original HD material.

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Re: PANDORA'S BOX

Unread post by Roscoe » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:03 pm

It looked really good when I saw it on a big screen at Lincoln Center. I'm hoping it lands on Blu-Ray at some point.
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Re: PANDORA'S BOX

Unread post by All Darc » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:10 pm

If read carefully you will find I refered about the digital clean up treatment.

Look how some flicker remains in the shadows and middle shadows, and how many abrasion remains. It's like the digital tool was able tom correct flicker and middle tone and in near bright tone, but failed somehow in the shadow or near it.

I also remamber, in one article when they was proposing and in fund raise for the digital restoration, that one main reason to digital restore was because the picture had loss sharpess/ focus, but looking the digital restoration trailler it don't look like it got sharper.

Yes, I know Youtube it's a mess in HD quality, due compression, stream, and HD TV Broadcast it's also a mess, and TV panles have motion blur and contrast brightness distortion in even low angles, or even in direct front view, since edges/sides looks brighter if you watch close (not far) to screen. That's why I don't watch TV anymore. Digital technology destroyed my TV entertainment.
But I can get a idea, based in what other 1080p clips looks on youtube, like 1080p clips from other HD silent films.
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:26 pm
All Darc wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:24 pm
Not a very impressive digital clean-up, based in theis HD clip :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4EzcJPqAGg
You cannot identify the original quality based only a Youtube stream. That presentation of the video has been transcoded one or more times, and one or more of those operations may have been poor-quality. So this leaves unknown the quality of the original HD material.
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