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drednm · Post by **drednm** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:37 am

This photo of Marion Davies walking by a 1920s development in Los Angeles.

Do any you you locals know whatever happened to this subdivision?

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missdupont · Post by **missdupont** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:07 pm

ARe you sure it's LA? I've tried every newspaper database: Newspapers.com, Access Newspaper Archives, LOC Database, California Digital Newspapers, and LA Times Archives, even Lantern, and no real estate subdivision by that name comes up. The first thing that comes up is a story about a woman named Patricia Park who was injured in an accident in 1932.

Rick Lanham · Post by **Rick Lanham** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:59 pm

I searched the newspapers in GenealogyBank and also found nothing.

Rick

Post by **Mike Gebert** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:27 pm

Looks like it was in Rancho Mirage; there's a street of that name there, anyway:

https://www.compass.com/listing/71129-p ... 517396673/

And though obviously that house is fairly modern, Wikipedia says development in Rancho Mirage started in the 20s, though it may have lasted only long enough to leave its name on a street.

Fred M. Stevens · Post by **Fred M. Stevens** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:45 pm

A late in life Davies home (built 1956, long after your photo) in Rancho Mirage
Mauvelous Mansion:
Actress Marion Davies built her own private oasis in Rancho Mirage
There is also a street named Patricia Park Place in Rancho Mirage, next to Tamarisk, not far from the Harpo Marx home.
Patricia Park Place in Rancho Mirage
Perhaps a local librarian or realtor can tell you how Patricia Park Place got its name, when Davies bought her Rancho Mirage land, etc

Fred M. Stevens · Post by **Fred M. Stevens** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:50 pm

I swear to Zeus my prior post was written and posted without my having seen Mr Gebert’s. Was he able to somehow see my preliminary drafts and steal from my hour of research? Magic Eight Ball says it is decidedly so.
(I have now sunk to the level of battling for Davies quiz glory and attacking John Wayne. Satan awaits me with upturned nose).

boblipton · Post by **boblipton** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:34 am

Mike has teenage sons to threaten into doing research for him. "You can either tell me where this is, or we can watch one of my favorites again: The Passion of Joan of Arc."

Bob

drednm · Post by **drednm** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:36 am

Thanks all.....

I assume the Patricia part is for Davies' daughter/niece Patricia Van Cleve.

drednm · Post by **drednm** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:10 am

drednm wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:36 am

Someone on FB identified the scene as being from The Patsy in which Orville Caldwell plays Tony Anderson. I don't remember this in the film, but then I don't remember a lot of things.....

drednm · Post by **drednm** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:11 am

Someone on FB just identified the scene as being from The Patsy in which Orville Caldwell plays Tony Anderson. I don't remember this in the film, but then I don't remember a lot of things.....
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missdupont · Post by **missdupont** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:11 am

Patricia was NOT her daughter. I've inspected the divorce records downtown Los Angeles with her real parents, Marion's sister, and it's obvious they were her parents. Her father kidnapped her twice. He and Japanese servants kidnapped her the first time in California and made it to Louisiana where they were caught by police and returned. The second time occurred when Patricia and the maid came back from Europe. He took her from the boat to a nunnery in Baltimore. It took her mother weeks to find her and get her out. Hearst didn't get involved either time, which he would have if she was his daughter, and the man wouldn't have kidnapped her twice if she was Hearst's. All this was documented in detail in the divorce records.

drednm · Post by **drednm** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:52 am

missdupont wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:11 am
Patricia was NOT her daughter. I've inspected the divorce records downtown Los Angeles with her real parents, Marion's sister, and it's obvious they were her parents. Her father kidnapped her twice. He and Japanese servants kidnapped her the first time in California and made it to Louisiana where they were caught by police and returned. The second time occurred when Patricia and the maid came back from Europe. He took her from the boat to a nunnery in Baltimore. It took her mother weeks to find her and get her out. Hearst didn't get involved either time, which he would have if she was his daughter, and the man wouldn't have kidnapped her twice if she was Hearst's. All this was documented in detail in the divorce records.

Not to disagree with you (no one will ever likely know the truth) but Hearst did get involved in finding the kidnapped kid via money and hiring detectives etc.... according to Guiles' old bio of Marion. Of course this simply could have been to help out the family.

missdupont · Post by **missdupont** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:55 am

From primary evidence, the divorce records, with correspondence between judges, police, detectives, and the parents, there's not one word of Hearst involved in any way. Primary evidence trumps anything. And since Marion was working continuously for several years during the time Van Cleve would have been born, at least one person on the films, including the costume people, should have seen her balloon up, which no one ever wrote about or reported, then, decades later, or now.

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