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Two Bernard Herrmanns!
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:40 pm
by earlytalkiebuffRob
Many years ago I was interested to find there was not one, but two Bernard Herrmanns in the music world, and understandably the two were often confused. The one who scored for Welles and Hitchcock to name a couple, we all should know and admire. The other was maestro on BBC-TV's THE GOOD OLD DAYS, in addition to his varied concert work, but there seems little information around as to what he has done since.
Does anyone know what happened to him? I've been unable to uncover a birth date so have no idea how likely it is that he is still alive.
Two Bernard Herrmanns!
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:41 pm
by JFK
The confusion continues, at least in the UK- for months, the item below has been offered,
I think incorrectly, as having been from the collection of the Oscar winning Herrmann.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDet ... 9015061229
The Complete Greed. A reconstruction of the film in 348 still photos following the original screenplay.
Plus 52 production stills. Compiled and Annotated with a Foreword by Herman G. Weinberg.
McCARTNEY, Paul.) STROHEIM, Erich von.
Bookseller: Peter Harrington. ABA member
(London, United Kingdom)
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Book Description: New York: E. P. Dutton & Co., Inc., 1973, 1973. Quarto. Printed card wrappers, as issued. Extremities rubbed, creases to spine and front wrapper, some light marks, internally clean. A very good copy. Portrait frontispiece, and numerous black and white photographs in the text throughout. Presentation copy inscribed by Paul McCartney of the first paperback edition (originally published in the preceding year by Arno Press) of the book that reconstructed from film stills Erich von Stroheim's infamously butchered and lost ten hour magnum opus (described in such terms as the "Holy Grail" and the "Magna Carta" of film) that was only ever shown as the two-and-a-half hour film Greed in 1924.
The inscription, on the half-title, is from Paul McCartney to Bernard Herrmann, "To Benny from Paul - you'll have to supply the score for yourself - I'm sure you'll have no trouble. I hope we can work together again." Herrmann (1911-75) was a composer famous for his work for film scores; the Beatles reputedly based the strings in Eleanor Rigby on Herrmann's famous strings for Alfred Hitchcock's film Psycho. Herrmann met and befriended McCartney, and helped him with with the scoring of The Family Way. This copy includes, laid in, a lengthy contemporary review of the book clipped from a magazine. Bookseller Inventory # 80007
In my post (above), it looks like (surprise) I was likely wrong (or maybe not):
Steven C. Smith- A Heart at Fire's Center: The Life and Music of Bernard Herrmann
"That year Herrmann worked on one more film project of sorts. Although he was not asked to score The Family Way,
a gentle English comedy starring Hayley Mills and Hywell Bennett, Herrmann did give scoring advice to its first-time film composer, Beatle Paul McCartney, as a favor to producers John and Roy Boulting. In exchange for the consultation, Herrmann was given a Chagall."
Günther Kögebehn- Running with the Kids-A Conversation with Norma Herrmann June 2006
Günther Kögebehn "Before you met him, had you ever heard of him?"
Norma Herrmann "Yes. In my late teens I mixed him up with Bernard Herrmann of the BBC Northern Dance Orchestra. A lot of people made the mistake. Even the BBC made the mistake … A couple of times my Benny tried to, not sue them, but tried to get lawyers to say “Look, someone made this mistake again in print”, because the newspapers used to make it as well. And the BBC wrote: “There is no confusion between the two Bernard Herrmann’s at all.” And a week later we get his tax papers from the BBC to our address! … … … … And once we had some teenage girls climbing up the railings and ended up on our balcony, looking in the big window.… … … … Paul McCartney had gone and done an arrangement of something with Bernard Herrmann of the Northern Dance Orchestra. And I don’t know wherever they thought finding Paul McCartney at Bernard Herrmann’s… but they all climbed up the balcony shouting Paul McCartney! "
Re: Two Bernard Herrmanns!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:53 am
by earlytalkiebuffRob
Reminds me of when I was having a thinning-out of my books and (reluctantly) put this item (unsigned) in my shop for about £18 and sold it fairly quickly. Admittedly this was about twenty years ago, but the last time I looked, copies were on offer from about £50 or £60. Mind you, the original new price in 1974-75 of c£7 was about half my week's wages at the time...
Re: Two Bernard Herrmanns!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:11 am
by doctor-kiss
The 'other' Bernard Herrmann was by all accounts also born in the US, and was already active in the UK in 1949, when the
Yorkshire Post described him in a review as "the young American conductor." Unlike the future Oscar winner, Bernard Herrmann was clearly his real name... although that still leaves quite a few potential candidates to pick from in US birth records.
However, you might try contacting user 'bryniau' at YouTube, who commented on the Northern Dance Orchestra video below three years ago, stating that Bernard Herrmann was his father, and at that time, 'still alive and kicking':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1vTJS8uqUI
Re: Two Bernard Herrmanns!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:25 am
by s.w.a.c.
As a longtime Beatles fan, I was surprised by that connection between Hermann's
Psycho score and Eleanor Rigby,
but sure enough there's truth to it.
Re: Two Bernard Herrmanns!
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:36 am
by buckley
The BBC The Good Old Days(from a theatre in Yorkshire) where the patrons all wore costumes from the Good Old Days and the show was a music hall setting with many good guest artistes(Kenn Dodd, for example) and exaggerated introduction dialogue. I enjoyed this in my country on Saturday nights together with a fine British variety show with magician, the late David Nixon. I would love to see some of them again if they exist now. This Bernard Herrmann arrived in UK the year I was born.
I collect CDs of the Northern Dance Orchestra of which a few have been especially compiled privately in recent times.
To add to the Herrmans, there was the late Robert Farnon who was born in Canada and came to England when in WW2 and returned to spend the rest of his long life there writing light music music, film scores and making loads of orchestral records and appearances of which I have many. He also has a musical society of light music named after him and he was the patron.
Re: Two Bernard Herrmanns!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:14 am
by Phillyrich
The THIRD Bernard Hermann was a movie talk show host in Phila in the 1970s-1980s.
Now, was there a fourth?