Church Film Brouhaha

[Donald Binks]

Having said that, this storm in a tea-cup actually led to my (and thousands more) watching the video, which would not have happened if it had preceded whatever the new 'Star Wars' film is called.

Perhaps this was an exercise in reverse psychology undertaken by the C of E? If so, I will give them full credit for being clever!

[wich2]

Brother Donald (oh dear, this is starting to sound like a Masons' meeting) is simply stating his views in his way, but without getting personal.

Brother Rob, I believe that all three of us are from different countries.

But with respect, from here Brother Donald's description of faith as "mumbo-jumboism," and his statement that he "feels sorry" for people of faith, certainly falls under the umbrella of "getting personal," in a thread where other Brothers have expressed faith.

Best,
-Brother Craig

[earlytalkiebuffRob]

Brother Donald (oh dear, this is starting to sound like a Masons' meeting) is simply stating his views in his way, but without getting personal.

Brother Rob, I believe that all three of us are from different countries.

But with respect, from here Brother Donald's description of faith as "mumbo-jumboism," and his statement that he "feels sorry" for people of faith, certainly falls under the umbrella of "getting personal," in a thread where other Brothers have expressed faith.

Best,
-Brother Craig

I would certainly not regard mine or Donald's remarks as personal, but simply comments on what a lot of folk believe, or claim to believe. If I'm permitted to borrow a piece of religious parlance, we are criticising the 'sin', not the 'sinner'. [as a non-adherent, I don't recognise the idea of sin [in the sense of offending the laws of a god], as opposed to wrongdoing, which of course can be interpreted in multitudes of ways]

[Brent]

'Kinell, this forum's rapidly turning into alt.movies.silent:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum ... ies.silent

I thought this was supposed to be a civilised alternative after that one fell apart, largely due to so-called 'discussions' like this? Aren't there supposed be rules here about avoiding pure, non-film related debates on religion and politics?

Moderators! Where are you?

Now: back to your bickering, children.

[Marr&Colton]

It's ironic that the religious faith that was spoken of by Winston Churchill and held by most Britons that got them through WWII has these many years later been relegated to "propaganda". Things are not much different in the USA, since after many decades of teaching the theory of evolution in schools, Christianity is often viewed as nonsense.

Then we wonder why our nations and the world have such escalating problems and danger.

IMHO...........

[entredeuxguerres]

I thought this was supposed to be a civilised alternative after that one fell apart, largely due to so-called 'discussions' like this? Aren't there supposed be rules here about avoiding pure, non-film related debates on religion and politics?

Moderators! Where are you?

Tristram Shandy must be a particular favorite of yours.

[Danny Burk]

'Kinell, this forum's rapidly turning into alt.movies.silent:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum ... ies.silent

I thought this was supposed to be a civilised alternative after that one fell apart, largely due to so-called 'discussions' like this? Aren't there supposed be rules here about avoiding pure, non-film related debates on religion and politics?

Moderators! Where are you?

Now: back to your bickering, children.

Most of us are likely still sprawled about from yesterday's overeating binge.

But....yes, this thread has reached our "not suitable for NV discussion" limit. Let's stop with the quibbling or we'll close it down.

Now, on to leftovers.

[R Michael Pyle]

Ish there any more - burp - percan pie???

[wich2]

>Now: back to your bickering, children. <

Wideness of view is an adult characteristic, not a childish one.

(Now, where's that Bromo...?)

[earlytalkiebuffRob]

Although not film related, there is a piece in yesterday's (Nov. 26) 'Daily Mail' (p35) with regard to proposals to introduce atheism and humanism to religious studies in British schools.

One critic, Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute, is quoted as saying "...Most people assume that religious studies means education about religion. Why must you learn about atheism in religion [sic] lessons?"

[Danny Burk]

Although not film related, there is a piece in yesterday's (Nov. 26) 'Daily Mail' (p35) with regard to proposals to introduce atheism and humanism to religious studies in British schools.

One critic, Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute, is quoted as saying "...Most people assume that religious studies means education about religion. Why must you learn about atheism in religion [sic] lessons?"

Indeed, not film related - posts of this nature are apt to lead to others, sparking arguments that we don't want to see here. No more, please.

[earlytalkiebuffRob]

Although not film related, there is a piece in yesterday's (Nov. 26) 'Daily Mail' (p35) with regard to proposals to introduce atheism and humanism to religious studies in British schools.

One critic, Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute, is quoted as saying "...Most people assume that religious studies means education about religion. Why must you learn about atheism in religion [sic] lessons?"

Indeed, not film related - posts of this nature are apt to lead to others, sparking arguments that we don't want to see here. No more, please.

I only mentioned it as a contrast to the arguments in the press and Parliament concerning the CofE video, that's all.

[coolcatdaddy]

Regardless of how you feel about religion, putting an ad in cinemas seems like a bad idea for any church.

You go to a movie theater to be entertained and putting an ad about a church in front of the latest boob-filled dumb sex comedy or violent-filled action picture just seems a little out of place. Considering the content of films nowadays, it would seem difficult to find a film it could run with that wouldn't be jarring.

What would have probably worked here would have been a "soft sell" - perhaps a little one minute humorous or touching short about a kid helping the homeless during the holidays or a touching ting about accepting a lonely neighbor during the Christmas, with a little tag at the end for the church.

Perhaps they need better marketing people.

Here in NC, the only church ads I've seen in cinemas have been slides that are mixed in with those for local car dealerships and Chinese and Mexican restaurants that run when people are entering the theater and being seated. I don't think I've ever seen a film ad for a church, even during the days when the Church of Later Day Saints was doing big market pushes a couple of decades ago.

[earlytalkiebuffRob]

We may be having another storm of this nature. Yesterday's 'Daily Mail' had an item about a 45-second ad featuring modern family followed by a Nativity scene together with the message 'Christmas begins with the power of love'. It seems that it has been refused a showing by the same company, DCM. The odd thing was that the refusal came on Tuesday, which would have been cutting it fine to say the least. As with the CofE video, the ad is online, in this case since last year, so it is hardly 'banned'.

To avoid problems of this nature, perhaps videos of this nature should be shown in the relevant churches / organisations concerned, although of course the idea is to 'spread the word' further. I've not chased this video up yet to see whether or not it warrants any fuss, but doubtless those who are bleating on about banning are not all likely to be patrons of the relevant cinemas.

[telical]

When atheism was held in check, we didn't seem to have all these school shootings
and general mass killings that we have had for the last 20 years. We also didn't
seem to piss off the Muslims either. TV/Movies were said to be better. It's funny
how a lot of people can't see the cause and effect relationship of this, while others
can. I know this may get some response and the topic isn't really a NV one but
it seems the "believer's" side isn't really represented much on more erudite forms/discussions.
Liberal Christians really don't care to post much about their faith.