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Re: Vampyr

Post by monks19 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:29 pm

Yes, one or two questions:

Aside of the german and french version, what other versions did survive (if any) ?

Will those alternate versions find their way do dvd/bluray releases ?

Thanks to answer

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Re: Vampyr

Post by Mitch Farish » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:45 pm

monks19 wrote:Yes, one or two questions:

Aside of the german and french version, what other versions did survive (if any) ?

Will those alternate versions find their way do dvd/bluray releases ?

Thanks to answer
According to what I have been able to gather from the links in this thread to Korber's insights, he would like to see the French version restored. Perhaps If MOC or Criterion put out a blu-ray, the French version with the deleted scenes will be an extra.

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Re: Vampyr

Post by boblipton » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:50 pm

With Danny's indulgence, I'd like to restate the original position, to make sure I understand it.

The latest version of Vampyr was done by Friedrich Wilhelm Murnau Stiftung in a dvd which was issued without formal credit to them. The cuts demanded by the German censors were done by Murnau and his editor in such a way that they could no longer be reinserted without playing havoc with the sound track, according to a Koerber or Herr Koerber or Frau Koerber or something with that name.

Is that the original state of affairs?

There seems to be later and general agreement that Friedrich Wilhelm Murnau Stiftung makes decisions in their restorations that people who are familiar with them find odd. Also, Mike has analyzed this as the sort of conflict between completists and people who are more than satisfied with a clean print and a comprehensible -- rather than comprehensive -- edition. FYI, I tend to fall into the latter category.

Is that reasonably close to the sense of the thread? I think I'd like some clarification on who or what Koerber may be. However, other than that, it seems to come down to what I once wrote in a footnote to "Experts disagree": as indeed they must, for if any two were to agree, then one would be superfluous and could be taken off of salary.

How does the movie look on dvd?

Bob
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Re: Vampyr

Post by entredeuxguerres » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:02 pm

boblipton wrote:...However, other than that, it seems to come down to what I once wrote in a footnote to "Experts disagree": as indeed they must, for if any two were to agree, then one would be superfluous and could be taken off of salary.
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Well, that explains the superfluity of MDs.

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Re: Vampyr

Post by Mike Gebert » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:54 pm

Koerber is the head of https://www.deutsche-kinemathek.de/en/about-us/history" target="_blank

He did a restoration of Vampyr, in the form of the German release, some 15 years ago that is the basis for the Criterion and Masters of Cinema discs. More about them here: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompar ... -maybe.htm" target="_blank
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Re: Vampyr

Post by Brent » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:22 am

I see that according to the Beaver, the Image DVD, which I don't own, has some alternative shots. Which version is it?

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