THE GARDEN OF ALLAH (1927) Complete?

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THE GARDEN OF ALLAH (1927) Complete?

Post by Gagman 66 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:34 am

:? This carries over from a recent post on the TCM forums where some guy claimed that TCM was working to help restore this long unseen Rex Ingram feature. Does this film exist in it's entirety or not? All I have is widely conflicting information. :o Any details would be sincerely appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by Danny Burk » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:14 am

They have an excellent print (I knew a guy who saw it in the 80s). AFAIK it's complete, and that rights problems are/were the reason behind its non-availability. For many years, it's been my "most wanted to see" film, so needless to say I'm very interested in the outcome.

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Post by Gagman 66 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:30 am

Danny,

:D I knew that the film was on that 1997 Turner list of films available in 35 Millimeter for festivals. So Warner's has the print now? Is that correct? This doesn't tell us if TCM is actually working on the project though. Do the rights issues relate to the 1936 film with Charles Boyer and Marlene Dietrich made at Paramount, the novel, or what is the deal? Do you know?
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Post by Danny Burk » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:32 pm

Yes, WB has the material now. I've not heard anything previously re: TCM working on it. There's a good chance that this is just internet wishful thinking, and I'd regard it as such unless it's known that this person actually has input from someone at TCM.

I've not heard anything definite re: rights issues, but my guess (and it's only a guess) would be either story rights and/or sellout of rights to the 1927 version when the '36 version was made.

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Post by missdupont » Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:21 pm

GARDEN OF ALLAH (1936) was a David O. Selznick production for Selznick International Pictures, released through United Artists.

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Post by Gagman 66 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:49 pm

missdupont,

:? Oh, OK. I just naturally think of Dietrich as being a Paramount Star in this period. Anyway, I've never seen the film. I know it's in Technicolor. Reviews seem rather mixed. Any opinions?

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Post by daveboz » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:58 pm

Gagman 66 wrote:missdupont,

:? Oh, OK. I just naturally think of Dietrich as being a Paramount Star in this period. Anyway, I've never seen the film. I know it's in Technicolor. Reviews seem rather mixed. Any opinions?
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Post by Danny Burk » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:05 pm

I've always been fond of it....but Marlene in 1936 3-strip would be worth watching even if it were a toothpaste advertisement.

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Post by boblipton » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:06 pm

It's .... odd. It feels to me as if they were trying to do a von Sternberg film without von Sternberg, and the camerawork is odd. Plus they try for a sense of mutual obsession, like MOROCCO. but even though it should work, it feels as if Boleslavski doesn't take it at all seriously and the attempt to give screen time to others doesn't work. In many ways, it's like those 20th Century movies that Zanuck produced with big stars whose careers were on the downslide, like Arliss and Chevalier, often because of repetitious themes and story incidents.

You are asking about the '36 version, aren't you?

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Post by Gagman 66 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:18 pm

Bob,

:) Yes, I was asking about the 1936 movie. Although, If you have seen the 1927 Silent give us your impressions of that too. Thanks.

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Post by boblipton » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:42 pm

Nope. I'd like to see it too.

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Post by daveboz » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:08 pm

boblipton wrote:It's .... odd. It feels to me as if they were trying to do a von Sternberg film without von Sternberg, and the camerawork is odd. Plus they try for a sense of mutual obsession, like MOROCCO. but even though it should work, it feels as if Boleslavski doesn't take it at all seriously and the attempt to give screen time to others doesn't work. In many ways, it's like those 20th Century movies that Zanuck produced with big stars whose careers were on the downslide, like Arliss and Chevalier, often because of repetitious themes and story incidents.

You are asking about the '36 version, aren't you?

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The film makers certainly were NOT trying to make a Sternberg film without Sternberg. They could easily have hired him if they'd wished—Dietrich continually pushed for Boleskawski's replacement by Sternberg during filming—but Selznick refused. (He'd been out of sympathy with Sternberg's methods since his tenure at Paramount in 1932, as memos attest.)

For me there isn't a particle of the atmosphere in GARDEN that you get with Sternberg's films. There are many nice shots in GARDEN but they never add up to more than the sum of their parts.

There are, however, incidental peasures—Tilly Losch, for instance, who looks a good deal more fetching in this flick than does Dietrich with her strangely white and shiny complexion. There's a scene where she's dancing in a café and trying to get Charles Boyer to cough up a few centimes. She bends over backwards and WOW what a closeup. The words "money shot" sprang to mind. Hilariously, Selznick contrives to have a near identical upside-down close-up of Miss Losch in DUEL IN THE SUN ten years later.

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Post by bobfells » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:24 pm

QUOTE: it's like those 20th Century movies that Zanuck produced with big stars whose careers were on the downslide, like Arliss and Chevalier, often because of repetitious themes and story incidents.

I don't know about Chevalier, but in the case of George Arliss, Warner Bros. filed a complaint with the MPAAS charging that Zanuck had "stolen" Arliss from them when he joined Twentieth Century Pictures. Arliss's last two films for Warners, THE WORKING MAN and VOLTAIRE, were among his most financially successful. Some guy wrote a book documenting all this.

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