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The Trouble With Critics: Manny Farber, Andrew Sarris

Post by Mike Gebert » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:52 am

Collected film criticism is a problematic publishing genre to like. The working movie critic is in the trenches seeing the junk with the good, week in and week out, and the result is that often he can't see the redwoods for all the underbrush-- it's really kind of depressing to read Graham Greene, to name one, and see how many of the best movies of the 1930s strike him as cheap and the same old thing yet again. (At least his keen appreciation of Hitchcock's supposed failings resulted in The Fallen Idol and The Third Man.)

The reverse of that is Agee's Disease, the determination to see greatness in what one approves of for doctrinal reasons (Roger Ebert has this too). How many must have come to Monsieur Verdoux, say, fresh off Agee hailing it the work of a free and restless spirit, and found a rather dour and didactic black comedy which isn't a patch on the similarly mordant Kind Hearts and Coronets, say. Or even as funny as The Boogie Man Will Get You.

I've had two books by two prominent reviewers for some months in, well, let's just say a room of my house where a few minutes' reading is often possible. One is a book of collected criticism; one a book compiled after a lifetime of writing criticism (which isn't done with yet). I like one of them a lot more than the other.

The introduction to Negative Space: Manny Farber on the Movies lavishes an Agee-level encomium on Farber's supposedly magical degree of insight: "Farber's prose was unflaggingly humorous, swift, relentlessly declarative, and everywhere intricately constructed. He possessed an unerring eye and ear for identifying and exposing cliches, anything remotely corny, and the dead on arrival." That is supposed to be an argument that builds, but I eventually came to see it as the supposed virtues in the second sentence undoing the real virtues of the first.

Farber could write clearly and amusingly, with none of Agee's wishful thinking that the movie is better than it is. And the early Farber has a terrific eye for what we would come to recognize later:
Some of the best movies of the year are seven-minute cartoons called by names like All This and Rabbit Stew or The Fighting 69 1/2, which come on as unheralded transitions in the double bill and feature the notorious Bugs Bunny, a rabbit that not only performs physical feats of a Paul Bunyan magnitude but is equally sharp with his mind.
That's 1943, folks. At the height of Disney's ascendancy, Farber not only gets Warner Brothers cartoons but manages to actually put the names Jones, Freleng and McKimson into print, instead of assuming that Leon Schlesinger is the genius behind them all. A capsule review of The Thing instantly perceives everything that was essentially, gloriously cinematic about Hawks:
fast, crisp and cheap, without any progressive-minded gospel-reading about neighborliness in the atomic age; good airplane take-offs and landings; wonderful shock effects (the plants that cry for human blood as human babies cry for milk); Kenneth Tobey's fine, unpolished performance as a nice, clean, lecherous American Air Force officer
Given that the very next review is Losey's The Prowler ("sociologically sharp on stray and hitherto untouched items like motels, athletic nostalgia, the impact of nouveau riche furnishings on an ambitious ne'er-do-well"), you can see why Farber is admired for being one of the first to see the virtues of what he named for all time "termite art versus white elephant art," that there's more likely to be a smart slice of reality and real cinematic ingenuity in a B shot under the studio radar than in a bloated big star superproduction with all its corporate compromises.

The problem is... that period of acuity doesn't seem to have lasted more than a decade. Maybe it's exacerbated by the fact that this anthology favors the arthouse 60s, more Bergman and Richard Lester than Val Lewton and Chuck Jones, but Farber seems jaded at a very early point. For me where this anthology begins to curdle is in a 1952 essay called "The Gimp":
Whenever the modern film-maker feels that his movie has taken too conventional a direction and is neglecting "art," he need only jerk the Gimp-striong and— behold!— curious and exotic but "psychic" images are flashed before the audience, making you think such thoughts as 'The Hero has a mother complex"...

Over the past couple of years, one movie after another has been filled with low-key photography, shallow perspectives, screwy pantomime, ominously timed action, hollow-sounding voices...
The first part of this suggests that Farber objects to what Orson Welles called "dollar-book Freud" in the movies, the cheap psychologizing that could certainly be overdone in the 1940s. But the second part seems to be a repudiation of every form of sharpened technique descended from Citizen Kane (which he does indeed blame) and film noir— and really, does anyone want to make the case for flatly bright lighting in crime films? For action that isn't timed to be adequately suspenseful? For, say, George Macready to lighten it up a little in Gilda and try to seem more like a regular guy? What does Farber want here, exactly? When he gets down to cases, the movies he cites as the worst of it are things like Sunset Boulevard and A Streetcar Named Desire, where exactly what makes them so memorable is what bugs him for making them apparently less like a Raoul Walsh Warners picture from 1938.

Admittedly, Howard Hawks felt the same way— he famously said that Kazan in Streetcar had put back in the movies every bad acting habit he'd spent his life getting out of them— but when Farber applies this logic to things like The Third Man or The Asphalt Jungle, I feel he's lost touch with the movies. Asphalt Jungle may have a certain didactic structure, but fundamentally what it's about is how the criminal professional is also a human being and in some way that will slip him up in the end; it's as sharply drawn on that as anything in Bresson, a coolly pitiless yet not unempathetic movie about fate. If one objects in general to Huston's work tending to underline its points, nevertheless to me Asphalt Jungle is a near-perfect melding of that tendency with the realistic grit of film noir, with moments of character that will tear your heart out (the wife pleading, too late, for her doomed bigshot lawyer husband's attentions). And Farber objects, basically, to any moment in the movie that sets out its intentions and then delivers on them; it's not termite enough for him.

Pauline Kael said that "movies are so rarely great art that if we cannot appreciate great trash we have very little reason to be interested in them." I feel at some point Farber got too cool for school, too hip for the room, he couldn't appreciate directors working consciously because he had enjoyed being the first one to discover unconscious art a decade earlier (not realizing that unconscious art almost never is, really). And the logical end result of that attitude is the kind of "movie buff" who laughs at serious old movies but loves the ineptitude of Ed Wood— which is to say, someone who doesn't really like movies much at all.

His style curdles at that point, too, producing impenetrable observations in something as arch and hard to read for long as Timese. Here's Farber on The Graduate:
A life of innocuousness marches over the spectator and greenhorn hero. A little stump of a man, dragging himself around with weighty reluctance (he walks toward something as though going away from it), Dustin Hoffman is laid out like an improbable menu. People are always darting into his periphery to point him out as a boy wonder, from captain of the track team to debating captain and literary editor. Benjamin, as it turns out, is Bill Bradley crossed with Denny Dimwit.
One or two sharp observations jump out of this— the walks toward something observation is quite good, the bit about people darting encapsulates Nichols' style. But the rest, besides being too densely packed to make pleasurable reading, suggests someone who checked out of Nichols' movie very early on, is noting the outward characteristics of the character because he's given up on paying attention as any inward ones are revealed.

And if you aren't interested in The Graduate, it's hard to see why you should be going to the movies in 1968 at all— except maybe for a Raoul Walsh revival somewhere. Indeed, Farber turned to painting during this period. Too much of his writing suggests that he should have made it a clean break. In the end he became one of those cineastes who likes street-level naivete from Hollywood and forbiddingly high art from Europe (Fassbinder, Straub-Huillet), but despises any attempt by Hollywood to rise above mere animal cunning as being insufferably middlebrow. (An interview at the back spends an astonishingly long time berating The Far Country for the blocking of one scene, which somehow strikes Farber as inauthentic to the point of criminal.) That's a deadly combination of impossibly high standards with nostalgic sentimentalism, I think.

* * *

Andrew Sarris wrote a famous book, The American Cinema, which was an important work in its time and a pernicious one in the long term. Important in 1963 because it set down, with mock gravity which too many took seriously, a pantheon of major directors and a perdition full of those who didn't measure up. The pantheon wasn't so bad, directing serious attention at the likes of Hawks or Keaton, but the damned (Wyler, Wilder, etc.) deserved better, and more attention and serious consideration than they've gotten from blind pantheon-followers ever since.

To judge by You Ain't Heard Nothin' Yet, a far longer volume published in 2000, no one would agree with the above more than Andrew Sarris. He's explicitly apologetic toward Wilder (in person and in the book) and the rest of the book seems his attempt to tone down the rhetoric and appreciate what there is to be appreciated among dozens of major figures and films. The tone is no longer polemical; it's more like a chat at dinner at a film convention, full of clear-eyed affection for the movies. Sarris knows when this or that movie is cutting corners, going for the cheap play, just as Farber does, but he isn't going to damn a filmmaker or an entire decade for it this time. His love for the movies is bigger than than any one failure of nerves with money on the line; he has the generous attitude that the filmmaker always has another chance at bat, and our job is to treasure the high points later and forgive the lesser ones.

It's that generous affection for the movies, happy when they turn out to be better than they could be, that makes Sarris' book an infinitely more congenial read. But it also makes him a sharper observer than the fed-up Farber ultimately is. Time and again, I found passages that seemed to capture something perfectly, almost epigrammatically, not so much explaining what I had missed as perfectly encapsulating what I'd always felt. Here's a particularly lovely bit from Sarris on Margaret Sullavan:
...tragic but not maudlin, playful but not frivolous, all too wise but quickly weary of the consequences of wisdom. In her fearful eyes one can see the end from the very beginning, but, wait, the lips and chin are moving whimsically, and there is hope and humor for a very little while...
If you've seen her at all, you can see her perfectly in that.

The book takes a range of subjects in turn, everything from major directors to screwball and film noir. In some ways I'm a little disappointed that Sarris is still plowing the ground of the big names he called out in 1963— there are long sections on Ford and Preston Sturges and Hitchcock when I might have wished for a keen, knowledgable analysis of Roy Del Ruth, or even Michael Curtiz, the great-movie maker who never seems to get credit as a great moviemaker. Yet there's always new insight to be found even on old subjects, and the Ford section begins not with westerns or social insights but with a lengthy appreciation of the mostly overlooked Ford-Will Rogers collaboration, contrasting it with Frank Borzage's version of Rogers:
With Borzage, it is a matter of Rogers having a last fling. With Ford, it is a matter of Rogers making a last stand.
And indeed, if anyone is rescued from semi-obscurity and given his overdue, it's Borzage here. (The inverse of Borzage is Robert Flaherty, a pantheon director in 1963 mentioned exactly once in passing in 2000.) Similarly, if there's any filmmaker I'm tired of reading about it's Griffith, who I suspect often had no idea what effect he was going after or how to get it, hence the incredible variability in his movies, from heartrending to stiff as a board. But Sarris makes me believe in Griffith for a moment in his last film, The Struggle:
There has never been a director anywhere who could have brought to The Struggle the intense feeling for family that Griffith gives us on the screen... When Skelly's wife has had her baby, Griffith leaves Skelly awkwardly bent over her bedside for so long that the audience begins to cringe from the forlorn helplessness of the male before the mystery of life.
Not sure if I buy this or not— I can think of other reasons Griffith did things awkwardly from time to time— but the passion that makes such a case from such an obscure film is worth spending time with.
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Post by boblipton » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:48 am

Not everything old is a classic, and it would be interesting to see more Southwest Noir, the brightly-lit stuff that seemed to come out of Universal and whatever became of Jack Arnold anyway? Typecast as a director of cheap sf. No one ever seemed to realize that he understood the symbolism.

I don't have to agree with Manny Farber to find him a useful critic. He simply has to know what he likes and has to be able to to express the why to me, for his reviews to be useful. Yes, noir is right for most mysteries, but it's also the cheap, sloppy, easy way of doing things. Everyone does it. How about something else, anything else!

In some ways it reminds me of a Jackie Mason story: the first time he was hot as a comic from his turns on the old Ed Sullivan show, Hollywood expressed interest and he took meetings. And they would discuss details like the sex scene. At which he expressed doubt and was told that everyone had sex, so it was fine. "Is there a soup scene?" He asked. "Everyone has soup."


Take a look at some of the reviews in the Internet Movie Database. I finally saw Hitchcock's THE PLEASURE GARDEN and after, went over to its IMDB link, where I found several reviews in which everyone gushed. This puzzled me, as I had just seen a journeyman work, so I wrote a review that said so. People see what they expect to see, or they don't even bother looking. And somehow, when I point this out, people seem to get upset.

But I must admit that I feel a lot more compassion for Mr. Farber than you do. Imagine HAVING to see that movie, whether you want to or not. By Sunday morning of Slapsticon, I can't bear to sit through the program any more. That's after only three days of doing one of the things I like best.

As for Mr. Sarris, I find him tedious, almost as tedious as Pauline Kael. I don't need anyone to tell me what is good and what isn't. Neither do you.

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Post by Mike Gebert » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:54 am

I don't have to agree with Manny Farber to find him a useful critic. He simply has to know what he likes and has to be able to to express the why to me, for his reviews to be useful. Yes, noir is right for most mysteries, but it's also the cheap, sloppy, easy way of doing things. Everyone does it. How about something else, anything else!
Yeah, but in 1952 it was the something else, anything else.
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Post by Frederica » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:10 am

boblipton wrote: Take a look at some of the reviews in the Internet Movie Database. I finally saw Hitchcock's THE PLEASURE GARDEN and after, went over to its IMDB link, where I found several reviews in which everyone gushed. This puzzled me, as I had just seen a journeyman work, so I wrote a review that said so. People see what they expect to see, or they don't even bother looking. And somehow, when I point this out, people seem to get upset.
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The imdb also says that Nita Naldi is in The Pleasure Garden; I hope you noticed that she isn't. My reaction to it was the same as yours: nicely crafted, entertaining, forgotten two minutes after it was over.
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Post by boblipton » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:19 pm

Wasn't that Nita as the native lover of Miles Mander? No? Glad to hear it as I described her in my review as "brain damaged". On receipt of your confirmation, or any one else's, I'll alter it to reflect the uncertainty of who it is.

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Post by Frederica » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:08 pm

boblipton wrote:Wasn't that Nita as the native lover of Miles Mander? No? Glad to hear it as I described her in my review as "brain damaged". On receipt of your confirmation, or any one else's, I'll alter it to reflect the uncertainty of who it is.

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Nope. Her inclusion in the cast of The Pleasure Garden throughout various Hitchcock filmographies stems from a mistake made by Peter Noble in 1949 (in An Index to the Creative Work of Alfred Hitchcock, Sight & Sound Supplement, Index Series No. Eighteen). That error has been picked up by subsequent filmographies, including Donald Spoto's, which is from where the imdb reference derives, I suspect.

She isn't listed in the credits, she isn't the native lover, and she could not have been in the film. The Pleasure Garden completed filming in August of 1925; Nita didn't depart the States for Europe until late September 1925, and she was cast in The Mountain Eagle in December of 1925. So unless she had a transporter, that native lover ain't Nita. (We do not put it past Our Beloved Preceptress to have had a transporter, mind you.)

This information is all contained in an unbelievably detailed and totally fabulous but as yet unpublished filmographic study of The Mountain Eagle, written by Hitchcock scholar J.L. Kuhns. There is a copy of it in the ME file at the Herrick. I wayyy wanted to include it on the Nita site, but Mr. Kuhns died a few years ago, so rights are mysterious. This puppy should not be hiding it's light under a bushel. Nevertheless, good luck on getting that mistake off the imdb, it'll be there until the sun goes nova. Oh, also, the American release of The Mountain Eagle was not under the name "Fearogod," it was The Mountain Eagle (another Noble error). Good luck on that, too.

But, we've hijacked the thread, here. Back to your regularly scheduled discussion of film criticism. The thingie Mike said in para #1, about film critics seeing so many films that they become jaded--that is one of the reasons why I've given up reading film criticism. I've seen a ton of films in my life, but I'm still not jaded about them. Cranky sometimes, but I love movies, often the more harebrained the better. On the rare occasion I read a critic these days, usually I just want to smack them. Hell, if your job is this fraught with angst, go get another job. Starbucks is hiring.
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Post by Jim Roots » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:08 pm

Speaking of Agee's gushing over Monsieur Verdoux, you should read Eric Bentley on that film. Good luck finding his collection, In Search of Theatre, where it is collected. The very first sentence gushes, but then he does an interesting job of justifying his slavish admiration of the film.

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Post by gjohnson » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:04 pm

I always enjoyed reading Otis Ferguson in various anthologies on film criticism. He had a good appreciation for W.C. Fields. About a decade ago a book was put out on all of his writings and he did it all - he reviewed music, books and film. And never seemed to of got jaded by any of the Arts.

Then he had to go and die in the war.

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Post by Richard M Roberts » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:43 pm

Okay, so we're critiquing books about critics. A critical analysis of critical analysis. An interpretation of someone else's interpretation of someone elses work. There must be paint drying somwhere in the house I can look at....

Then again, I'm now critiquing Gebert's critique of Manny Farbers criticism.

Crikeys! Everyone is a critic!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Harold Aherne » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:55 pm

"He is all for the working class. Fine. He's dedicated to the cause of the Negro. Fine. But he is too apt to shut his ear to the music of someone who didn't pay off on a date or said nuts to the lettuce pickers, and call it criticism. And when he goes around saying "white musician" the way you'd use the term "greaseball," he not only confuses his readers and upsets his own standards but starts the Jim Crow car all over again, in reverse. Some will tell you that you're not doing much to eliminate a color line by drawing it all over the place yourself, and certainly something ought to be done among those of Mother Hammond's Chickens who have been led into believing that criticism consists in saying: Which is better, black or white? and raising all that hell. Some who practice in other fields will tell you something else: Critics, as Bessie Smith might have said it, critics ought to learn how to take their time."

--Otis Ferguson on John Hammond, 1938. And which could apply equally to any number of film critics.

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Post by boblipton » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:30 pm

Mike Gebert wrote:
I don't have to agree with Manny Farber to find him a useful critic. He simply has to know what he likes and has to be able to to express the why to me, for his reviews to be useful. Yes, noir is right for most mysteries, but it's also the cheap, sloppy, easy way of doing things. Everyone does it. How about something else, anything else!
Yeah, but in 1952 it was the something else, anything else.
I think not. By 1952 the elements of Film Noir had been together for a while. The actual origins of Noir -- proto-Noir, if you will -- can be found in various sources, but as an American film mystery subgenre it had been chugging along in various sources for easily half a dozen years. In fact, by 1952, it was fragmenting.

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Post by boblipton » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:31 pm

Richard M Roberts wrote:Okay, so we're critiquing books about critics. A critical analysis of critical analysis. An interpretation of someone else's interpretation of someone elses work. There must be paint drying somwhere in the house I can look at....

Then again, I'm now critiquing Gebert's critique of Manny Farbers criticism.

Crikeys! Everyone is a critic!!!!!!!!!!!

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Although nominally in the same tone of contemptuous indifference that Mr. Roberts affected in all of his writing, we can see in this example.....


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Post by spadeneal » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:27 am

Mike Gebert wrote:The reverse of that is Agee's Disease, the determination to see greatness in what one approves of for doctrinal reasons (Roger Ebert has this too). How many must have come to Monsieur Verdoux, say, fresh off Agee hailing it the work of a free and restless spirit, and found a rather dour and didactic black comedy which isn't a patch on the similarly mordant Kind Hearts and Coronets, say. Or even as funny as The Boogie Man Will Get You.
Mike,

I enjoyed reading your exegesis of these two books. I'm afraid I have to speak up for James Agee tho, and may have my backside gently handed me as I haven't read his criticism in 25 years. But I did read it all, along with Agee's other works -- not hard I guess, as it all fits in about five or six books of which everything but the critcism isn't that long. I find his writing generally of the American classic style and very well realized, though the one book of his I find impenetrable is the most famous one, A Death in the Family.

Remember that one film that Agee championed was Ulmer's Detour, which was about as termite-y as one could get in 1945. And perhaps I'm wrong in getting the vibe from your writing that the high art type -- tho not "white elephant" -- film is not as appealing to you as something more gemutlich. I really could go either way, and I agree that unconscious is seldom unconscious; if something in a Sam Newfield film strikes you as unusually brilliant, then chances are it was because Newfield was an experienced pro who really knew what he was doing. His situation just didn't call for a great deal of creativity, or perhaps he was more interested in the bottle on a given day than on directing.

In any event, there weren't very many Agee reviews that didn't make me want to see what he was discussing, whether he personally liked it, liked it a lot, or liked it not. And I am one whom I guess departs from the mean in that I really deeply admire and enjoy Monsieur Verdoux; it was an unbelievably brave gesture from Chaplin, and I do find it funny and profound. Verdoux comes from the side of Chaplin who lived with a hangman as a penniless orphan and as a wealthy communist sympathizer who was a skinflint and rather disconnected from the people around him. It's a great movie, and one that does not have to keep me laughing from end to end -- I like its emotional depth, and as a visit to the darker side of Chaplin's nature.

But even though I can make my way through a poverty row western as anyone and include many B movies in my personal "pantheon," I do like the art. I can see the shortcomings of it from the entertainment end of things but do not mind them. If there is responsibility to be accepted on the part of the viewer in order for the reward to be paid then I have the patience to adapt to that, yet I also know where my limits are for that sort of thing. Nevertheless, I wouldn't want to live in a world where all of the films I saw existed solely to entertain me and not to educate, or to reach for some deeper meaning that it takes me awhile to grasp.
Manny Farber wrote:Some of the best movies of the year are seven-minute cartoons called by names like All This and Rabbit Stew or The Fighting 69 1/2, which come on as unheralded transitions in the double bill and feature the notorious Bugs Bunny, a rabbit that not only performs physical feats of a Paul Bunyan magnitude but is equally sharp with his mind.
Mike Gebert wrote:That's 1943, folks. At the height of Disney's ascendancy, Farber not only gets Warner Brothers cartoons but manages to actually put the names Jones, Freleng and McKimson into print, instead of assuming that Leon Schlesinger is the genius behind them all.
Admirable. But by 1943 I think Disney was a little past his ascendancy; not in terms of features, but in shorts, which seem to reach an artistic crest around the 1937-1938 season. The shift to features seemed to have had a deleterious effect on the quality of the shorts at the Disney studio, at least until they gained their second wind in the 1950s.

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Andrew Sarris is someone I need to revisit. He was on the fringes of the New American Cinema movement of the early 60s but pulled back, and he may have hedged his bets correctly because -- at least for most viewers -- that movement didn't stick, for better or worse, although some awfully good books were written about it, and I would say some good films made as a result also. As I was really into those movies in my younger years I realize now I sort of held this against Sarris, even as I continued to read his new criticism as I encountered it here and there; he obviously knows his stuff. So thank you for the suggestion.

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Post by Mike Gebert » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:00 pm

Bob,

I admit that in retrospect 1952 is probably past noir's peak... though Touch of Evil, The Big Heat, Pickup on South Street, Nightfall, The Killer is Loose, Kiss Me Deadly and others were still to come. But I would contend that there were still plenty of routine crime dramas with, at most, a soupçon of tabloid style being made-- hell, the Charlie Chan series had just ended a couple of years earlier. Not to mention all the other genres in which filmmaking was quite stolid. So given a choice between the utterly routine and the warmed-over noir, I would still contend that warmed-over noir was nearly always a more interesting artistic choice, worthy of more than being dismissed as a gimp.

Spadeneal,

I would absolutely defend the right of consenting adults, in the privacy of their own home or Film Forum, to view Straub-Huillet films, Bela Tarr, Abbas Kiarostami or even Marguerite Duras. (Whom Farber compares to The Far Country at one point, believe it or not.) I once booked Hans-Jurgen Syberberg's Our Hitler into a massive auditorium in the dead of winter (it was the only place on campus with 35mm), and after seven hours of huddling in the cold listening to hour-long rants about German romanticism, the few of us who made it through it all may not have known what that was all about, but it sure went on about something. Sometimes I like to get my fearsomely obscure film intellectual on too.

But the movies are a popular art, and if you're not responding to what they are in the middle, only at the ends, it's sort of like visiting Florida without responding to sunshine. It's too easy to get too cool for school— it happens at NitrateVille, on occasion, too— and it's just a much too easy zero-sum game, dismiss whatever the next person likes as trash and you win. Avatar? Idiotic. The Godfather? Pacino overacts with such narcissistic self-regard. (A friend of mine holds that opinion, really.) Schindler's List? Typical Spielberg, Raiders of the Lost Death Camp. Anyone can play. Me, I prefer someone who honestly enjoys the heartfelt teenage girl emotionalism of Titanic even while recognizing how silly it is that Picasso's best known painting goes down with the ship. (Forget the diamond, get that painting back!)

And maybe more than that, what I'm convinced of is what Farber once knew— that if you go around dismissing movies because of the class they belong to, you miss what the artist working in that class was up to that transcends that class. Andrei Roublev, with the trappings of art history class, and Titanic, with the trappings of Harlequin romance, are both nevertheless magnificent visual experiences in essentially cinematic ways. The guy that could sum up The Thing so effectively wasn't distracted by a genre that Hawks didn't even want to put his name to— he saw the commonalities it had with Only Angels Have Wings and His Girl Friday instantly, no matter that it's about a murderous carrot. That's what I feel like he lost after a while, and only had disdain for movies of a certain popular seriousness.

Also, jeez, Disney had made Bambi the year before, on the heels of Dumbo, Pinocchio and Fantasia. How fast does ascendancy run out?
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Post by Jim Roots » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:07 pm

A Death In the Family -- impenetrable?! :shock:

Surely it is one of the easiest novels from any American of the last century. It is in the same spirit and ethos as the movie A Christmas Story, and if you think that's impenetrable too, well ...

Not meaning to insult or belittle you, spadeneal. I am just genuinely boggled that anyone could find that particular book mystifying. What was so difficult about it for you, exactly?


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Post by Jack Theakston » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:57 pm

But the movies are a popular art, and if you're not responding to what they are in the middle, only at the ends, it's sort of like visiting Florida without responding to sunshine. It's too easy to get too cool for school— it happens at NitrateVille, on occasion, too— and it's just a much too easy zero-sum game, dismiss whatever the next person likes as trash and you win.
Eh, this is two-fold. Some critics (and jus' plain folks—let's make the distinction between the two here) really don't like what they're trashing. Others have a bias for one agenda or another.

Over-expectation is, of course, a major player in polarized opinion. I really didn't think AVATAR was anything special, but was particularly disappointed by the expectations generated by the pre-hype promised something that would set movies forward a hundred years. After the fact, I was really vehement in my thoughts about how just plain mediocre the film was.

What I see some critics feeling is that playing the other end of the spectrum, even if they feel the film covers solely middle-ground, somehow balances out what they feel is an overwhelming blindness some people have towards mediocrity when they're told something is great. I don't agree with this form of criticism, but I sympathize with why it's done.
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Post by Mike Gebert » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:12 pm

somehow balances out what they feel is an overwhelming blindness some people have towards mediocrity when they're told something is great.
True, true, lack of discrimination is a very common fault as well. I just have to roll my eyes on fanboy sites when they start talking about great movies of the 80s, by which they mean The Last Starfighter or The Goonies or something.

And it is hard, in the face of universal approval, to listen to that inner voice that says X is not really that good.

For me it was a liberating moment some years back when people started trashing Napoleon on alt.movies.silent. Finally I could admit to myself what I knew to be true-- a movie of great bravura sequences, but not a great movie, if greatness requires unity of form, psychological depth, etc.
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Post by Jack Theakston » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:15 pm

There's something to be said also for "being in the moment." A lot of films seemed great at a certain moment with a certain audience, but in hindsight don't hold up or they're really just good at best. I think this accounts for a lot of populist hype about films that in the long run don't hold up.
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Post by FrankFay » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:46 pm

Jack Theakston wrote:There's something to be said also for "being in the moment." A lot of films seemed great at a certain moment with a certain audience, but in hindsight don't hold up or they're really just good at best. I think this accounts for a lot of populist hype about films that in the long run don't hold up.
Example: "The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming!" Great film when it came out late in the Cold War. Today it seems badly dated and slack paced with a dreadfully cliched climax. It's still worth a look for the wonderful cast and some fine gags- and what might be Ben Blue's least annoying performance.
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Post by spadeneal » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:07 pm

Jim Roots wrote:A Death In the Family -- impenetrable?! :shock:

Surely it is one of the easiest novels from any American of the last century. It is in the same spirit and ethos as the movie A Christmas Story, and if you think that's impenetrable too, well ...

Not meaning to insult or belittle you, spadeneal. I am just genuinely boggled that anyone could find that particular book mystifying. What was so difficult about it for you, exactly?
I just find it very dense, and usually that's not an issue with me; I've read, for example, Claude Simon's The Flanders Road. But I've picked up A Death In the Family several times and had to put it down. It's been, as I say, 25 years since I tried so I should again, tho the tiny print in the paperback version would be an obstacle to me now.

I have set Agee's Cabaret Songs to music tho. And I greatly enjoy Samuel Barber's Knoxville: Summer of 1915, even tho I wasn't able to get thru the book. That hasn't modified my opinion that Agee was one of America's most characteristically "American" writers of the mid-century, along with Weldon Kees, Kerouac, William Saroyan et al, not to mention a personal favorite.

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Post by Harold Aherne » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:00 pm

But the movies are a popular art, and if you're not responding to what they are in the middle, only at the ends, it's sort of like visiting Florida without responding to sunshine. It's too easy to get too cool for school— it happens at NitrateVille, on occasion, too— and it's just a much too easy zero-sum game, dismiss whatever the next person likes as trash and you win. [...]

For me it was a liberating moment some years back when people started trashing Napoleon on alt.movies.silent. Finally I could admit to myself what I knew to be true-- a movie of great bravura sequences, but not a great movie, if greatness requires unity of form, psychological depth, etc.
Put in contrast with each other, these quotes demonstrate the classic problem of wrestling with the received canon of great pictures--when I diss something everyone else likes, I'm being trop cool. But if you happen to hate it as well, I'm being daring and liberating. [Generic "you", not you personally.]

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Re: The Trouble With Critics: Manny Farber, Andrew Sarris

Post by Mike Gebert » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:12 pm

Andrew Sarris has died at age 83.

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Re: The Trouble With Critics: Manny Farber, Andrew Sarris

Post by Mike Gebert » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:30 pm

I'm pretty sure it's mild stuff by the standards he was used to.

He did write for the Village Voice, after all.
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Re: The Trouble With Critics: Manny Farber, Andrew Sarris

Post by WaverBoy » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:51 pm

RIP, Mr. Sarris.

As for this thread, it's a bit surreal to read criticism of criticism.

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Re: The Trouble With Critics: Manny Farber, Andrew Sarris

Post by boblipton » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:06 pm

WaverBoy wrote:RIP, Mr. Sarris.

As for this thread, it's a bit surreal to read criticism of criticism.
I understand that reaction, but there is a tendency to accept "expert" opinions as statements of fact. Sometimes it is necessary to mention that the Emperor has no more pants than anyone else.

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Re: The Trouble With Critics: Manny Farber, Andrew Sarris

Post by Lokke Heiss » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:11 pm

I met Farber at the end of his life...I was eager to talk movies with him, but it was too late - he was in his 'just happy to be here' phase that all of us reach if we live long enough.
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