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Post by drednm » Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:51 pm

OK so what does this mean?

"The film has not been restored. We only hold film elements. The safety copy is a fine grain master positive. "
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Re: LOC notes

Post by David Pierce » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:38 pm

drednm wrote:OK so what does this mean?

"The film has not been restored. We only hold film elements. The safety copy is a fine grain master positive. "
A fine grain master positive (or in the UK, a duping pos, or many years ago, a protection lavender) is a lower contrast film element used to generate duplicating negatives. The FGMP would be generated from a negative, ideally a camera negative.

A fine grain master positive is a preservation element, not suitable for projection or Steenbeck viewing. However, it is an excellent element if your goal is to create a digital copy.

If an archive's best original element is a print, then the preservation workflow would create a dupe negative and print. If they acquire a negative, then the preservation element is a FGMP. If the archive's goal is a timed (graded) safety fine grain master positive, then after the timer chooses the lights (exposure in the printer), the lab might make a print to test the timing, then make the FGMP.


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Re: LOC notes

Post by Javier » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:40 pm

drednm wrote:OK so what does this mean?

"The film has not been restored. We only hold film elements. The safety copy is a fine grain master positive. "
I am lost as you are. English is my second language, but your post does not make sense.
Where did you get these uneven quotes from LOC?
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Re: LOC notes

Post by Javier » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:51 pm

David Pierce wrote:
drednm wrote:OK so what does this mean?

"The film has not been restored. We only hold film elements. The safety copy is a fine grain master positive. "
A fine grain master positive (or in the UK, a duping pos, or many years ago, a protection lavender) is a lower contrast film element used to generate duplicating negatives. The FGMP would be generated from a negative, ideally a camera negative.

A fine grain master positive is a preservation element, not suitable for projection or Steenbeck viewing. However, it is an excellent element if your goal is to create a digital copy.

If an archive's best original element is a print, then the preservation workflow would create a dupe negative and print. If they acquire a negative, then the preservation element is a FGMP. If the archive's goal is a timed (graded) safety fine grain master positive, then after the timer chooses the lights (exposure in the printer), the lab might make a print to test the timing, then make the FGMP.

Thank you David for the clarification.


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Re: LOC notes

Post by Gagman 66 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:16 pm

Ed,

:? Are we talking about THE HUMMING BIRD here, or something else?

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Re: LOC notes

Post by drednm » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:54 am

Something else.....

I looked up the "fine grain film element" and yes thanks, David for elaborating on that. I was baffled by the "We only hold film elements," so I wrote back. All she meant was "we do not have video or digital files."
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Re: LOC notes

Post by kaleidoscopeworld » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:18 pm

It seems that it means it's a straight dupe, they haven't done any other work (reconstruction, restoration), etc. Sort of odd wording though.

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