Film first: the moving-camera-through-a-scene shot

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Film first: the moving-camera-through-a-scene shot

Post by 2 Reel » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:35 pm

Cabiria (1915) usually gets the accolade, because of those many shots from a rolling platform that cause the viewer to creep into and through scenes as they happen, but was this the first use of that specific technique (not including cameras mounted on a moving platform, such as Hale's Tours), or was there something similar that was done earlier that officially takes the cake? What was this technique called in 1914?

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Post by boblipton » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:51 pm

Billy Bitzer invented the Busby Berkley shot -- a moving crane shot -- at least as early as Panoramic View, Aisle B, Westinghouse Works in 1904, and there's at least one rising crane shot -- from the Eiffel Tower Elevator -- from 1900.

Diagrams show that Melies installed a track in his studio, so he could produce zoom effects.

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Post by Gumlegs » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:11 pm

There is also Bitzer's 1905 film shot on a subway traveling from Union Square to Grand Central Station. Because the camera moves into the stations, I am guessing it's not going to be rejected on the grounds that its like one of the Hale's Tours films.

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Re: Film first: the moving-camera-through-a-scene shot

Post by Daniel Eagan » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:12 am

Original poster wrote:
not including cameras mounted on a moving platform
so that would disqualify all films shot on trains, trolleys, trucks, etc.

I think the OP wants examples of a camera on a dolly moving through a set. Like the tango scene in Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Possibly Méliès, maybe Porter and Bitzer. Would have to look up Charles Musser's books to verify.

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Post by wingate » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:10 pm

There is a moving panorama of Ealing filmed in 1901,taken from the top of a tram.It can be viewed on the BFI channel on YouTube.

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Post by boblipton » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:41 pm

wingate wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:10 pm
There is a moving panorama of Ealing filmed in 1901,taken from the top of a tram.It can be viewed on the BFI channel on YouTube.
Voila!



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Post by s.w.a.c. » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:01 am

boblipton wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:41 pm
wingate wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:10 pm
There is a moving panorama of Ealing filmed in 1901,taken from the top of a tram.It can be viewed on the BFI channel on YouTube.
Voila!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEcxE0MPgM

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Re: Film first: the moving-camera-through-a-scene shot

Post by Cineanalyst » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:05 am

I think Charles Musser (and others?) have credited Hooligan in Jail (1903) and Photographing a Female Crook (1904) as first/early use of dolly shots and ones that moved forward into close-ups, and The Haverstraw Tunnel (1897) as first phantom-ride film, while the Lumière Panorama du grand Canal pris d'un bateau (1896) put the camera in a moving gondola.

Méliès moved stuff towards the camera--not vice versa. But, yeah, otherwise, these tracking shots likely began to gain momentum in the proto-documentaries such as the aforementioned Bitzer series, although Pastrone seems to have popularized them for a while. Regeneration (1915), for one, blatantly imitates "Cabiria shots" or "movements."

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Re: Film first: the moving-camera-through-a-scene shot

Post by boblipton » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:38 am

Cineanalyst wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:05 am
I think Charles Musser (and others?) have credited Hooligan in Jail (1903) and Photographing a Female Crook (1904) as first/early use of dolly shots and ones that moved forward into close-ups, and The Haverstraw Tunnel (1897) as first phantom-ride film, while the Lumière Panorama du grand Canal pris d'un bateau (1896) put the camera in a moving gondola.

Méliès moved stuff towards the camera--not vice versa. But, yeah, otherwise, these tracking shots likely began to gain momentum in the proto-documentaries such as the aforementioned Bitzer series, although Pastrone seems to have popularized them for a while. Regeneration (1915), for one, blatantly imitates "Cabiria shots" or "movements."

I've seen the blueprints to Melies' studio. He had the camera on a track and moved it to and from the shoot space.

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