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It's somewhat amazing that Valentino has such a devoted cult following. Considering almost all of his films are "Public Domain" and most of them are in rather Cruddy Shape. Or at least the prints that are readily available are in mediocre condition. THE EAGLE was beautifully restored by Photoplay Productions, but that version is not on DVD. Neither is the Photoplay version of THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE either. 
And why can't we get a nice restoration on DVD of MOUSIER BEAUCAIRE? Is this film still technically under copyright to Paramount??? Personally, I think it is among his very best surviving films. Though rarely ever seen. Didn't someone say some months ago, that the LOC had a very nice 35 Millimeter print of the picture? Amen and hallelujah!!! It is quite odd that so many of his films exist (about 61% which is quite high) yet so few have been restored and released. Its a given the Sheiks would make DVD but seriously why no Four Horsemen (which btw is available at the Internet ArchiveGagman 66 wrote:
)? The Valentino Collection was quite nice as it had every rarity and snippet possible (including The Young Rajah)...but why not something with the rest of his films in a box set form? DVD people are you listening? Surely it would sell!This is one reason why a Valentino film festival is such a good idea. The restored 35mm print of FOUR HORSEMEN was one of the easier prints to rent, back when we performed our score in L.A. and Cleveland.Gagman 66 wrote:
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Isn't FOUR HORSEMEN and THE EAGLE too for that matter, available for rent in 35 Millimeter, and with the Carl Davis scores directly from Photoplay Productions on their Website? Look under "Live Cinema" and there is should be? Or am I mistaken? I assumed these were all 35 Millimeter prints? I know they are not videos.I'm sure they are, though of course the L.A. Theater Organ Society is not going to need the Carl Davis recorded score, since their whole point is featuring theater organs. The MGM print of 4HotA is the same as the Photoplay restoration, and for a show in L.A., I would think that shipping half-way across town would be easier than shipping half-way around the world...Gagman 66 wrote:Rodney,
http://www.photoplay.co.uk/indiv film pages/ind film page Four horse.html
http://www.photoplay.co.uk/indiv film pages/ind film page Eagle.html
Paramount still owns the Beaucaire copyright. This was a Paramount film, Ritz-Carlton did not come until after the Lasky/Paramount contract was fulfilled. Oh, and the Ritz-Carlton films were distributed by Paramount, btw.misspickford9 wrote:Oh Four Horsemen with a good score would be wonderful! Donna do you know who owns the Monsieur Beaucaire copyright? I've been wondering about that as it was a Ritz Carlton Picture (and Cobra is PD) but then maybe Famous Players had some claim on it.
Well, I like THE EAGLE much better the BLOOD AND SAND, which was rather cheaply produced. And if you see the Photoplay restoration it makes a huge difference over the current Kino DVD release. The Photoplay print of THE EAGLE is a 35 Millimeter fine Grain master restored from the Original Camera Negatives. So it is almost like night and day with the old Paul Killiam print. Push to get the Photoplay version on DVD, or at least on TCM. They signed a long term contract with Photoplay late last year. Maybe there is a chance they might be able to run it. Ooooh right right. I always forget that part! Hmm yes then it would be under copyright until 2020ish probably less they renew it again. I wonder if there would be anyway to persuade them to release it (or allow someone to release it). Surely Valentino would equal some money to them...rudyfan wrote:Paramount still owns the Beaucaire copyright. This was a Paramount film, Ritz-Carlton did not come until after the Lasky/Paramount contract was fulfilled. Oh, and the Ritz-Carlton films were distributed by Paramount, btw.misspickford9 wrote:Oh Four Horsemen with a good score would be wonderful! Donna do you know who owns the Monsieur Beaucaire copyright? I've been wondering about that as it was a Ritz Carlton Picture (and Cobra is PD) but then maybe Famous Players had some claim on it.
Paramount renewed the copyright and remade the film in the 1940's, it is still under copyright as far as I know.
Historically Wings is a much more important film than anything Paramount produced with Valentino. They've not seen fit to release that yet, so do not bother holding your breath for Beaucaire which made them no money in 1924 and is unlikely to do so in the 21st century.misspickford9 wrote:Ooooh right right. I always forget that part! Hmm yes then it would be under copyright until 2020ish probably less they renew it again. I wonder if there would be anyway to persuade them to release it (or allow someone to release it). Surely Valentino would equal some money to them...
Great now we must box!silent-partner wrote:Would I realize any rancor by this group by repeating "pink powderpuff, pink powderpuff, pink powderpuff" in singsong fashion whilst prancing about with wrist limp and arm cocked?
I'm just askin'.
Well, I hope that it is, indeed, coming out on DVD. Fingers crossed.Gagman 66 wrote:Rudyran,
Err, I was under the distinct impression that WINGS was finally forth-coming and pretty soon? Even if true, the project is shrouded almost entirely in mystery. With no advance information about who might be working on it, and what sort of music score it will contain. Just hope that it isn't the Alloy Orchestra who seem to have an In with Paramount. Oh, Boy!
Well, Flicker Alley's release of the Rudolph Valentino Collection is a good case to look at as an example. It took passion and a good deal of money to get this out on DVD. Jeff Masino is a wonderful guy, a perfectionist but you can also thank Tracy Terhune for this. Like all of his projects for Valentino, he worked with Jeff to get the films out there, he put his money where his mouth is and I believe it was not an inexpensive project. I take my hat off to him for that. To go a bit OT here, much like his book on the history of the RV memorial services over the years, Tracy paid his dues and the fees from his own pocket and got his project off the ground. Going to the memorial every year does not float my boat, but it is a unique happening every year and his book documenting it fills a niche and told a fascinating story that needed telling. I give him a lot of credit for this, a lot.misspickford9 wrote: Donna I think most silent films dont make much money these days, but surely the cost to produce it for DVD would balance out with the demand...of course maybe thats wishful thinking on my part. I think what I'd like to see more so is some DVD company (Milestone, Image, Kino, whatever) getting permission to restore it and such...marketing to the right people might be worth it.
I wish it'd go all Warner on Demand. If Wild Orchid can sell DVDs Monsieur Beaucaire can too...
Hmm, I will have to see if there is a mention in the EC on the sq footage. Having been one of the fortunate few to walk through the house prior to renovation and now demolition, you're right, it was very intimate. Not large certainly by today's standards. I liked it, it was a great house and the views were splendid.silent-partner wrote:Serious question. In Flicker Alleys wonderful Valentino set one sees a tour through Falcons Lair but they never mention how many square feet the main house was. Does anyone know?
It seemed rather cozy and totally unpretentious as a dwelling.
Oh definitely agreed. Any such project would need funding and passion behind it. Call me optimistic...maybe not in these dire years but in a few years such funding and profit margins will be able again. It wont be forgotten thats for sure.rudyfan wrote:Well, Flicker Alley's release of the Rudolph Valentino Collection is a good case to look at as an example. It took passion and a good deal of money to get this out on DVD. Jeff Masino is a wonderful guy, a perfectionist but you can also thank Tracy Terhune for this. Like all of his projects for Valentino, he worked with Jeff to get the films out there, he put his money where his mouth is and I believe it was not an inexpensive project. I take my hat off to him for that. To go a bit OT here, much like his book on the history of the RV memorial services over the years, Tracy paid his dues and the fees from his own pocket and got his project off the ground. Going to the memorial every year does not float my boat, but it is a unique happening every year and his book documenting it fills a niche and told a fascinating story that needed telling. I give him a lot of credit for this, a lot.misspickford9 wrote: Donna I think most silent films dont make much money these days, but surely the cost to produce it for DVD would balance out with the demand...of course maybe thats wishful thinking on my part. I think what I'd like to see more so is some DVD company (Milestone, Image, Kino, whatever) getting permission to restore it and such...marketing to the right people might be worth it.
I wish it'd go all Warner on Demand. If Wild Orchid can sell DVDs Monsieur Beaucaire can too...
Back to Beaucaire there are rights issues and money to get a project going. I'm as big a Valentino fan as anyone, but ask Dennis at Milestone about Beyond the Rocks or David Shepard about The Sheik/Son of the Sheik releases, I would bet there is precious little in the profit column. Not that I would not love to see Beaucaire on DVD in a great print, Valentino fans are really fortunate, a good many of his films are available.
